I have managed once before to get setup tools to install a package of mine
as a directory instead of an egg, but I was never quite sure how I did that
(I accidentally tripped some sort of test by doing "foo.__file__" somewhere
in my code, I think).

In any case, isn't this the same reason why the scikit packages are now no
longer installed the way they are?

Ben Root
On Jul 6, 2013 2:00 PM, "Jeff Whitaker" <jsw...@fastmail.fm> wrote:

>   Thomas Kluyver <tho...@kluyver.me.uk>
>  July 6, 2013 11:26 AM
>
> *distribute*, which was a fork of setuptools, was merged into setuptools.
> *distutils* is the component in the standard library, and is still there. I
> still prefer distutils where possible, precisely because setuptools' eggs
> are a mess.
>
> Thomas
>
>
> I agree eggs are a mess.   Given that it is still easy to have the old
> behavior, can someone explain why the change was made to have setup.py
> create eggs by default?
>
> -Jeff
>
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>  July 6, 2013 11:20 AM
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 6, 2013 at 11:04 AM, Jeff Whitaker <jsw...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>
>>  Damon McDougall <damon.mcdoug...@gmail.com>
>>  July 6, 2013 9:32 AM
>>
>>
>>
>> If I do a clean install of mpl master, and then of basemap, basemap
>>> lands in dist-packages/mpl_toolkits, as it always has.  But now it is
>>> not found--I can't import it.  It seems that now the *real* mpl_toolkits
>>> is cleverly hidden inside an egg directory with a monstrous name,
>>> leaving basemap orphaned in a directory with no __init__.py.  As a
>>> workaround I can symlink it into the egg location.  I suspect the real
>>> solution will require basemap to use setuptools, correct?  I don't know
>>> how to do this, so I hope someone who does will submit a PR.
>>
>>
>> Actually, using the new setuptools isn't adequate, I just tried it
>> locally on my machine and it still doesn't install itself into the
>> matplotlib egg.
>>
>> I think the proper solution here is to add basemap as an optional
>> dependency to matplotlib and have the user set a flag (off by default) to
>> pull basemap if it's desired
>>
>>
>> Does that sound like a reasonable solution?
>>
>>
>> What if a user decides later that he/she wants to install basemap?  Then
>> they would have to reinstall matplotlib?  That doesn't sound reasonable to
>> me.
>>
>
> Actually, on reflection, I'm in agreement with you.  I'm comfortable
> installing from source but this poses a larger problem when users download
> the basemap binary and expect it to Just Work.
>
> How about having matplotlib install a symlink to the egg location?
>>
>
> If there's a way for setuptools to modify the matplotlib egg to add a
> symlink, then it must be possible for setuptools to just put the files
> there.  I just haven't figured out how to do that.
>
> Why the change to using setuptools by default in the first place?
>>
>
> Long story.  The short story is that distutils was merged into setuptools.
>  So setuptools is now the recommended way to install python packages.
>
>
>>
>> -Jeff
>>
>>
>> P.S.  Note that the other mpl_toolkits are installed into the correct
>> place because they are shipped with matplotlib and installed at the same
>> time.  We could ship basemap with matplotlib too but it's a rather large
>> download.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>> Damon
>>
>> --
>> Damon McDougall
>> http://www.damon-is-a-geek.com
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>>   Eric Firing <efir...@hawaii.edu>
>>  July 6, 2013 12:53 AM
>> If I do a clean install of mpl master, and then of basemap, basemap lands
>> in dist-packages/mpl_toolkits, as it always has.  But now it is not
>> found--I can't import it.  It seems that now the *real* mpl_toolkits is
>> cleverly hidden inside an egg directory with a monstrous name, leaving
>> basemap orphaned in a directory with no __init__.py.  As a workaround I can
>> symlink it into the egg location.  I suspect the real solution will require
>> basemap to use setuptools, correct?  I don't know how to do this, so I hope
>> someone who does will submit a PR.
>>
>> Eric
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Damon McDougall
> http://www.damon-is-a-geek.com
> Institute for Computational Engineering Sciences
> 201 E. 24th St.
> Stop C0200
> The University of Texas at Austin
> Austin, TX 78712-1229
>   Jeff Whitaker <jsw...@fastmail.fm>
>  July 6, 2013 10:04 AM
>
>  Damon McDougall <damon.mcdoug...@gmail.com>
>  July 6, 2013 9:32 AM
>
>
>
> If I do a clean install of mpl master, and then of basemap, basemap
>> lands in dist-packages/mpl_toolkits, as it always has.  But now it is
>> not found--I can't import it.  It seems that now the *real* mpl_toolkits
>> is cleverly hidden inside an egg directory with a monstrous name,
>> leaving basemap orphaned in a directory with no __init__.py.  As a
>> workaround I can symlink it into the egg location.  I suspect the real
>> solution will require basemap to use setuptools, correct?  I don't know
>> how to do this, so I hope someone who does will submit a PR.
>
>
> Actually, using the new setuptools isn't adequate, I just tried it locally
> on my machine and it still doesn't install itself into the matplotlib egg.
>
> I think the proper solution here is to add basemap as an optional
> dependency to matplotlib and have the user set a flag (off by default) to
> pull basemap if it's desired
>
>
> Does that sound like a reasonable solution?
>
>
> What if a user decides later that he/she wants to install basemap?  Then
> they would have to reinstall matplotlib?  That doesn't sound reasonable to
> me.
>
> How about having matplotlib install a symlink to the egg location?
>
> Why the change to using setuptools by default in the first place?
>
> -Jeff
>
>
> P.S.  Note that the other mpl_toolkits are installed into the correct
> place because they are shipped with matplotlib and installed at the same
> time.  We could ship basemap with matplotlib too but it's a rather large
> download.
>
> Best wishes,
> Damon
>
> --
> Damon McDougall
> http://www.damon-is-a-geek.com
> Institute for Computational Engineering Sciences
> 201 E. 24th St.
> Stop C0200
> The University of Texas at Austin
> Austin, TX 78712-1229
>   Eric Firing <efir...@hawaii.edu>
>  July 6, 2013 12:53 AM
> If I do a clean install of mpl master, and then of basemap, basemap lands
> in dist-packages/mpl_toolkits, as it always has.  But now it is not
> found--I can't import it.  It seems that now the *real* mpl_toolkits is
> cleverly hidden inside an egg directory with a monstrous name, leaving
> basemap orphaned in a directory with no __init__.py.  As a workaround I can
> symlink it into the egg location.  I suspect the real solution will require
> basemap to use setuptools, correct?  I don't know how to do this, so I hope
> someone who does will submit a PR.
>
> Eric
>
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>  Damon McDougall <damon.mcdoug...@gmail.com>
>  July 6, 2013 9:32 AM
>
>
>
> If I do a clean install of mpl master, and then of basemap, basemap
>> lands in dist-packages/mpl_toolkits, as it always has.  But now it is
>> not found--I can't import it.  It seems that now the *real* mpl_toolkits
>> is cleverly hidden inside an egg directory with a monstrous name,
>> leaving basemap orphaned in a directory with no __init__.py.  As a
>> workaround I can symlink it into the egg location.  I suspect the real
>> solution will require basemap to use setuptools, correct?  I don't know
>> how to do this, so I hope someone who does will submit a PR.
>
>
> Actually, using the new setuptools isn't adequate, I just tried it locally
> on my machine and it still doesn't install itself into the matplotlib egg.
>
> I think the proper solution here is to add basemap as an optional
> dependency to matplotlib and have the user set a flag (off by default) to
> pull basemap if it's desired.
>
> Does that sound like a reasonable solution?
>
> P.S.  Note that the other mpl_toolkits are installed into the correct
> place because they are shipped with matplotlib and installed at the same
> time.  We could ship basemap with matplotlib too but it's a rather large
> download.
>
> Best wishes,
> Damon
>
> --
> Damon McDougall
> http://www.damon-is-a-geek.com
> Institute for Computational Engineering Sciences
> 201 E. 24th St.
> Stop C0200
> The University of Texas at Austin
> Austin, TX 78712-1229
>   Eric Firing <efir...@hawaii.edu>
>  July 6, 2013 12:53 AM
> If I do a clean install of mpl master, and then of basemap, basemap lands
> in dist-packages/mpl_toolkits, as it always has.  But now it is not
> found--I can't import it.  It seems that now the *real* mpl_toolkits is
> cleverly hidden inside an egg directory with a monstrous name, leaving
> basemap orphaned in a directory with no __init__.py.  As a workaround I can
> symlink it into the egg location.  I suspect the real solution will require
> basemap to use setuptools, correct?  I don't know how to do this, so I hope
> someone who does will submit a PR.
>
> Eric
>
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