Thanks for that.  You really downplayed the problems when BROKEN is 1. 
It seems to me that most of the glyphs are very bad -- the 'e', for 
instance, is filled in the middle.

Darren Dale wrote:
> I think the problem is related to autohinting. When I compile freetype, the 
> patented bytecode and subpixel hinting support is disabled, I am using 
> freetype's autohinting instead. I recompiled freetype with the support for 
> the patented hinting instead of autohinting, and reran the test on cmmi.ttf. 
> The result is cmmi10_p.txt.

That seems like a likely explanation...  Exactly, which #defines did you 
change to make it work again?  The vanilla freetype tarball works for me...

Cheers,
Mike

> On Monday 29 October 2007 08:57:42 am Michael Droettboom wrote:
>> I should also mention -- please let me know if setting BROKEN to 0 fixes
>> any rendering problems.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Mike
>>
>> Michael Droettboom wrote:
>>> Forgot to attach the program.
>>>
>>> Michael Droettboom wrote:
>>>> Nicolas, Darren,
>>>>
>>>> I have created a minimal program that hopefully will exercise the
>>>> problem.  If it breaks for either of you, I'll take this to the
>>>> freetype mailing list for further clarification...  If it doesn't
>>>> break for you, my theory about the cause is still incorrect.
>>>>
>>>> I have attached a small C program.  You can build it as follows,
>>>> assuming freetype is installed in the usual place:
>>>>
>>>>     gcc -I/usr/include/freetype2 -lfreetype test_hinting_stretch.c -o
>>>> test_hinting_stretch
>>>>
>>>> Then you can run it by providing a .ttf fontname on the path.  The one
>>>> that seems to trip up so far is
>>>> lib/matplotlib/mpl-data/fonts/ttf/cmmi10.ttf (in the matplotlib source
>>>> tree), but I'm curious to know if it also breaks for other more
>>>> popular fonts like vera.ttf.
>>>>
>>>>     ./test_hinting_stretch path_to_font
>>>>
>>>> It will render and print out all the glyphs in the font on stdout.
>>>> Please send me the output (offlist, since it will be quite long).
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for helping me solve this problem,
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>>>> I tried to change the value and the highest one I can use is 2 so
>>>>> it's not a big improvement for what I understand.
>>>>>
>>>>> You can contact me if you need other test naturally
>>>>>
>>>>> N.
>>>>>
>>>>> Le Friday 26 October 2007 12:24:34 Michael Droettboom, vous avez écrit :
>>>>>> It's great to have narrowed this down!  Unfortunately, with that
>>>>>> #define
>>>>>> removed, you will get lower quality fonts (the hinting will be more
>>>>>> extreme, which causes the glyphs to often look too thin, or
>>>>>> inconsistent.)  See this thread for more information --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg
>>>>>> 01480
>>>>>>
>>>>>> .html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd hate to turn off this improvement because it doesn't work in some
>>>>>> environments.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wonder if you wouldn't mind performing one more experiment...  There
>>>>>> is another define at the top of ft2font.cpp, "HORIZ_HINTING" that
>>>>>> controls the amount of hinting subsampling.  Currently it is set to 8,
>>>>>> but I wonder if a lower value would work.  Ideally, we want to set
>>>>>> this as high as we can get away with.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> #define VERTICAL_HINTING
>>>>>> #ifdef VERTICAL_HINTING
>>>>>> #define HORIZ_HINTING 8
>>>>>> #else
>>>>>> #define HORIZ_HINTING 1
>>>>>> #endif
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Would you mind trying other values and seeing if any work?  If not,
>>>>>> I'll
>>>>>> probably take this question to the freetype mailing list now that
>>>>>> we've narrowed the cause down to only a three line difference in the
>>>>>> code.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>>>>>> Le Friday 26 October 2007 11:22:06, vous avez écrit :
>>>>>>>> Thanks for this information.  It looks like the font outline data is
>>>>>>>> somehow getting corrupted before freetype renders it.  Again,
>>>>>>>> however, I
>>>>>>>> can't reproduce it on my machine (I've attached a copy of what it
>>>>>>>> looks
>>>>>>>> like for me), so I'm still pretty stumped.  My suspicion is that
>>>>>>>> it's a
>>>>>>>> 64-bit vs. 32-bit problem since both people known to have trouble
>>>>>>>> are on
>>>>>>>> 64-bit platforms, and I am not.  I have tried recompiling with
>>>>>>>> gcc-4.2.2
>>>>>>>> and I still wasn't able to reproduce.
>>>>>>> I can imagine that it's difficult for you to debug something you
>>>>>>> cannot
>>>>>>> reproduce. Just a remark I don't have 64-bits but a 32 so the
>>>>>>> problem is
>>>>>>> not comming because of the plateforme.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> One thing you could *try*, to rule out any recent changes to the
>>>>>>>> glyph
>>>>>>>> rendering, is to comment out this line near the top of
>>>>>>>> src/ft2font.cpp:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> #define VERTICAL_HINTING
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> as follows
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> //#define VERTICAL_HINTING
>>>>>>> Yes it's doing the trick., I don't have anymore the problem. Thank
>>>>>>> you very much. I have now the same result than you with the test I
>>>>>>> produce before.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Additional information:  Are there any warnings produced when
>>>>>>>> compiling
>>>>>>>> ft2font.cpp?  Can you send me your matplotlibrc file?
>>>>>>> just the classic one:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> cc1plus: warning: command line option "-Wstrict-prototypes" is
>>>>>>> valid for
>>>>>>> Ada/C/ObjC but not for C++
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you very much.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> N.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Yep that can be a good idea. I don't know anything on how
>>>>>>>>> mathtext is
>>>>>>>>> working but I'm not completely sure that the problem is with
>>>>>>>>> freetype
>>>>>>>>> because sometime that can work. In reality every character I tested
>>>>>>>>> worked but you have to put in a certain order. To understand a
>>>>>>>>> little
>>>>>>>>> bit more what I try to say (very badly) see the script join and the
>>>>>>>>> figure.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I hope that can help a little bit to try to find the reason of this
>>>>>>>>> behaviour.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> N
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Le Thursday 25 October 2007 15:41:40 Michael Droettboom, vous avez
>>>>> écrit :
>>>>>>>>>> Darren Dale wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Mike,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday 23 October 2007 09:05:56 am Michael Droettboom wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, I can't reproduce this on my machine even with
>>>>>>>>>>>> the latest stable version of freetype-2.5.3 (which is the same
>>>>>>>>>>>> version
>>>>>>>>>>>> in Ubuntu Gutsy).
>>>>>>>>>>> I think you mean freetype-2.3.5. I also have that version
>>>>>>>>>>> installed,
>>>>>>>>>>> although the mpl setup script is reporting 9.16.3.
>>>>>>>>>> Yes.  freetype-2.3.5.  There are arcane historical reasons I don't
>>>>>>>>>> fully comprehend why the pkgconfig version doesn't match the
>>>>>>>>>> release
>>>>>>>>>> version (and why freetype2 is called freetype6 on Debian and
>>>>>>>>>> derivatives)... but my numbers do match yours.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The Ubuntu/Debian package of freetype has a lot of patches
>>>>>>>>>>>> applied, and I don't know if they are causing this (but from the
>>>>>>>>>>>> looks of them, I doubt it).
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Can you set debug.verbose to "annoying" and send me the output
>>>>>>>>>>>> of your matplotlib run?  I want to rule out any font-loading
>>>>>>>>>>>> problems.
>>>>>>>>>>> It's attached. I'm running 64bit gentoo, everything compiled with
>>>>>>>>>>> gcc-4.2.2, in case its relevent.
>>>>>>>>>> Always good to have more details, but I'm sort of at a loss on
>>>>>>>>>> this one, especially since I can't reproduce it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Maybe we need to take a poll on this list of who is working and
>>>>>>>>>> who isn't to see what the source of the breakage may be...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>>>>>>
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