Michael Droettboom wrote:
> Darren Dale wrote:
>> I think the problem is related to autohinting. When I compile freetype, the 
>> patented bytecode and subpixel hinting support is disabled, I am using 
>> freetype's autohinting instead. I recompiled freetype with the support for 
>> the patented hinting instead of autohinting, and reran the test on cmmi.ttf. 
>> The result is cmmi10_p.txt.
> 
> That seems like a likely explanation...  Exactly, which #defines did you 
> change to make it work again?  The vanilla freetype tarball works for me...

I seem to have the reversed behavior.  On my machine, if I have the 
patented bytecodes disabled (which is the default when you download the 
vanilla freetype tarball from freetype.sf.net), everything works.  When 
I define (uncomment) TT_CONFIG_OPTION_BYTECODE_INTERPRETER in 
ftoption.h, things break.  (And great news, I'm finally able to 
reproduce this problem.)  Is that not what you see?

Cheers,
Mike

>> On Monday 29 October 2007 08:57:42 am Michael Droettboom wrote:
>>> I should also mention -- please let me know if setting BROKEN to 0 fixes
>>> any rendering problems.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> Michael Droettboom wrote:
>>>> Forgot to attach the program.
>>>>
>>>> Michael Droettboom wrote:
>>>>> Nicolas, Darren,
>>>>>
>>>>> I have created a minimal program that hopefully will exercise the
>>>>> problem.  If it breaks for either of you, I'll take this to the
>>>>> freetype mailing list for further clarification...  If it doesn't
>>>>> break for you, my theory about the cause is still incorrect.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have attached a small C program.  You can build it as follows,
>>>>> assuming freetype is installed in the usual place:
>>>>>
>>>>>     gcc -I/usr/include/freetype2 -lfreetype test_hinting_stretch.c -o
>>>>> test_hinting_stretch
>>>>>
>>>>> Then you can run it by providing a .ttf fontname on the path.  The one
>>>>> that seems to trip up so far is
>>>>> lib/matplotlib/mpl-data/fonts/ttf/cmmi10.ttf (in the matplotlib source
>>>>> tree), but I'm curious to know if it also breaks for other more
>>>>> popular fonts like vera.ttf.
>>>>>
>>>>>     ./test_hinting_stretch path_to_font
>>>>>
>>>>> It will render and print out all the glyphs in the font on stdout.
>>>>> Please send me the output (offlist, since it will be quite long).
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for helping me solve this problem,
>>>>> Mike
>>>>>
>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>>>>> I tried to change the value and the highest one I can use is 2 so
>>>>>> it's not a big improvement for what I understand.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You can contact me if you need other test naturally
>>>>>>
>>>>>> N.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Le Friday 26 October 2007 12:24:34 Michael Droettboom, vous avez écrit :
>>>>>>> It's great to have narrowed this down!  Unfortunately, with that
>>>>>>> #define
>>>>>>> removed, you will get lower quality fonts (the hinting will be more
>>>>>>> extreme, which causes the glyphs to often look too thin, or
>>>>>>> inconsistent.)  See this thread for more information --
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg
>>>>>>> 01480
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> .html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'd hate to turn off this improvement because it doesn't work in some
>>>>>>> environments.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I wonder if you wouldn't mind performing one more experiment...  There
>>>>>>> is another define at the top of ft2font.cpp, "HORIZ_HINTING" that
>>>>>>> controls the amount of hinting subsampling.  Currently it is set to 8,
>>>>>>> but I wonder if a lower value would work.  Ideally, we want to set
>>>>>>> this as high as we can get away with.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> #define VERTICAL_HINTING
>>>>>>> #ifdef VERTICAL_HINTING
>>>>>>> #define HORIZ_HINTING 8
>>>>>>> #else
>>>>>>> #define HORIZ_HINTING 1
>>>>>>> #endif
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Would you mind trying other values and seeing if any work?  If not,
>>>>>>> I'll
>>>>>>> probably take this question to the freetype mailing list now that
>>>>>>> we've narrowed the cause down to only a three line difference in the
>>>>>>> code.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>>>>>>> Le Friday 26 October 2007 11:22:06, vous avez écrit :
>>>>>>>>> Thanks for this information.  It looks like the font outline data is
>>>>>>>>> somehow getting corrupted before freetype renders it.  Again,
>>>>>>>>> however, I
>>>>>>>>> can't reproduce it on my machine (I've attached a copy of what it
>>>>>>>>> looks
>>>>>>>>> like for me), so I'm still pretty stumped.  My suspicion is that
>>>>>>>>> it's a
>>>>>>>>> 64-bit vs. 32-bit problem since both people known to have trouble
>>>>>>>>> are on
>>>>>>>>> 64-bit platforms, and I am not.  I have tried recompiling with
>>>>>>>>> gcc-4.2.2
>>>>>>>>> and I still wasn't able to reproduce.
>>>>>>>> I can imagine that it's difficult for you to debug something you
>>>>>>>> cannot
>>>>>>>> reproduce. Just a remark I don't have 64-bits but a 32 so the
>>>>>>>> problem is
>>>>>>>> not comming because of the plateforme.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> One thing you could *try*, to rule out any recent changes to the
>>>>>>>>> glyph
>>>>>>>>> rendering, is to comment out this line near the top of
>>>>>>>>> src/ft2font.cpp:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> #define VERTICAL_HINTING
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> as follows
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> //#define VERTICAL_HINTING
>>>>>>>> Yes it's doing the trick., I don't have anymore the problem. Thank
>>>>>>>> you very much. I have now the same result than you with the test I
>>>>>>>> produce before.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Additional information:  Are there any warnings produced when
>>>>>>>>> compiling
>>>>>>>>> ft2font.cpp?  Can you send me your matplotlibrc file?
>>>>>>>> just the classic one:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> cc1plus: warning: command line option "-Wstrict-prototypes" is
>>>>>>>> valid for
>>>>>>>> Ada/C/ObjC but not for C++
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you very much.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> N.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Yep that can be a good idea. I don't know anything on how
>>>>>>>>>> mathtext is
>>>>>>>>>> working but I'm not completely sure that the problem is with
>>>>>>>>>> freetype
>>>>>>>>>> because sometime that can work. In reality every character I tested
>>>>>>>>>> worked but you have to put in a certain order. To understand a
>>>>>>>>>> little
>>>>>>>>>> bit more what I try to say (very badly) see the script join and the
>>>>>>>>>> figure.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I hope that can help a little bit to try to find the reason of this
>>>>>>>>>> behaviour.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> N
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Le Thursday 25 October 2007 15:41:40 Michael Droettboom, vous avez
>>>>>> écrit :
>>>>>>>>>>> Darren Dale wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Mike,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday 23 October 2007 09:05:56 am Michael Droettboom wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, I can't reproduce this on my machine even with
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the latest stable version of freetype-2.5.3 (which is the same
>>>>>>>>>>>>> version
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in Ubuntu Gutsy).
>>>>>>>>>>>> I think you mean freetype-2.3.5. I also have that version
>>>>>>>>>>>> installed,
>>>>>>>>>>>> although the mpl setup script is reporting 9.16.3.
>>>>>>>>>>> Yes.  freetype-2.3.5.  There are arcane historical reasons I don't
>>>>>>>>>>> fully comprehend why the pkgconfig version doesn't match the
>>>>>>>>>>> release
>>>>>>>>>>> version (and why freetype2 is called freetype6 on Debian and
>>>>>>>>>>> derivatives)... but my numbers do match yours.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Ubuntu/Debian package of freetype has a lot of patches
>>>>>>>>>>>>> applied, and I don't know if they are causing this (but from the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> looks of them, I doubt it).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can you set debug.verbose to "annoying" and send me the output
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of your matplotlib run?  I want to rule out any font-loading
>>>>>>>>>>>>> problems.
>>>>>>>>>>>> It's attached. I'm running 64bit gentoo, everything compiled with
>>>>>>>>>>>> gcc-4.2.2, in case its relevent.
>>>>>>>>>>> Always good to have more details, but I'm sort of at a loss on
>>>>>>>>>>> this one, especially since I can't reproduce it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe we need to take a poll on this list of who is working and
>>>>>>>>>>> who isn't to see what the source of the breakage may be...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>>>>>>>
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