As usual, I won't go into the technical details, but from my understanding, we 
have to look at this from the distribution end of things. Unless you want some 
"picture-in-picture" solution (covering part of the relevant information), 
there will always be a distribution channel with just one video which should be 
"video-presentation" (aka slides, presentation) plus audio - chop off the 
talking head if you have one. Those with two videos will have to argue for a 
selection to be possible.

O


> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: [email protected] [mailto:matterhorn-
> [email protected]] Im Auftrag von Judy Stern
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 15. März 2011 18:46
> An: Opencast Matterhorn
> Betreff: Re: [Opencast Matterhorn] multifile upload #proposal
> 
> This is an excellent question, Olaf. We certainly didn't think through what 
> was
> going to happen with those "limited" distribution channels. (Do we need to 
> provide
> options for admin to decide which tracks get published to individual 
> distribution
> channels? Does Matterhorn have built in rules?)  It is, of course, a question 
> that is
> bigger than multi-file upload. What happens with scheduled captures, too, 
> which
> could have multiple audio channels? Chris, Josh, Tobias, Adam, anybody: has
> this already been discussed/solved?
> 
> Judy
> 
> On Mar 13, 2011, at 3:05 PM, Schulte Olaf A. wrote:
> 
> > Just to round this off, at ETH we would be happy with the scenarios 
> > described
> for UCB. A question to disclose my lack of knowledge of processing probably, 
> but
> if the user was to upload "video-presenter & video-presentation (either or 
> both
> could have muxed audio)", would the system automatically demux audio from the
> video-presenter in order for it to be muxed with the video-presentation sans 
> audio
> in distribution channels where this was necessary? Not sure whether this was 
> part
> of the caveat you formulated, Judy.
> >
> > O
> >
> >> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> >> Von: [email protected] [mailto:matterhorn-
> >> [email protected]] Im Auftrag von Christopher Brooks
> >> Gesendet: Freitag, 11. März 2011 23:02
> >> An: Opencast Matterhorn
> >> Betreff: Re: [Opencast Matterhorn] multifile upload #proposal
> >>
> >> I could live without it.
> >>
> >> (would write scripting to put it in).
> >>
> >> But pretty critical for a 1.3 I think, to do (ideally), n-way upload of
> >> video of different types (any number of videos would be perfect).
> >>
> >> Chris
> >>
> >> On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 13:59:51 -0800
> >> Judy Stern <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Thanks, guys. Not surprising; we've talked about this set-up a bunch
> >>> in the past. Question is "how important?". Current default workflow
> >>> can't handle this scenario, but maybe we should revisit in upcoming
> >>> team or PO meeting, if you consider it critical for 1.2. Adam, can
> >>> you add to agenda?
> >>>
> >>> Judy
> >>>
> >>> On Mar 11, 2011, at 9:11 AM, Bruce Sandhorst wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> We have several rooms like that.
> >>>>
> >>>> Bruce
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mar 11, 2011, at 10:31 AM, Christopher Brooks wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Judy,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> We have a room with two video-presentations, no video-presenter
> >>>>> (that we use), and one audio.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Chris
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 15:39:25 -0800
> >>>>> Judy Stern <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Adam and I came up with a simple solution for dealing with
> >>>>>> mutlifile upload in this iteration. To do this we have scoped it
> >>>>>> to handle only the scenarios that we believe will be most common:
> >>>>>> 1) video-presenter & video-presentation (either or both could
> >>>>>> have muxed audio) 2) single video and audio file 3) video
> >>>>>> (video-presenter), audio (audio-presenter), screen
> >>>>>> (video-presentation), i.e. what we're currently expecting from
> >>>>>> capture agent. In all cases, the assumption will be that the
> >>>>>> files are already synched; in this iteration (and likely in 1.2)
> >>>>>> we will provide no synching tools.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If we are missing scenarios that you anticipate, please let us
> >>>>>> know asap.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> A sketch is here:
> >>>>>> http://opencast.jira.com/wiki/display/MH/Multistream+ingest+for+MH-
> >> 2680+March2011
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Some notes:
> >>>>>> Though there are many examples of multifile upload out there, our
> >>>>>> designs aren't so simple because of the current "one file per
> >>>>>> flavor" limitation/feature. We considered providing the ability
> >>>>>> to upload two audio files (knowing that they *could* be processed
> >>>>>> if they were different flavors) but couldn't come up with a
> >>>>>> likely scenario where this was necessary, so have kept the design
> >>>>>> even simpler by providing the ability to upload only one
> >>>>>> audio-only file. Adam's recollection of the default workflow was
> >>>>>> that if there was an audio-presenter track, that it would be the
> >>>>>> one processed (rather than any audio that that was muxed with
> >>>>>> video-presenter) so text in the UI reflects this; if we are
> >>>>>> wrong, please let us know asap. As always, wording to adequately
> >>>>>> describe flavors is tricky; happy to hear any better suggestions.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I've also put together a very rough sketch (with all the caveats
> >>>>>> above) for a design that's more dynamic, i.e. "slots" for files
> >>>>>> to be uploaded are added at the user's request. I like it because
> >>>>>> it's a little leaner for 2-file uploads, but requires a lot more
> >>>>>> logic to implement.
> >>>>>>
> >>
> <http://opencast.jira.com/wiki/display/MH/Alternative+Multistream+ingest+for+MH-
> >> 2680+March2011>
> >>>>>> I know it's not perfect either....maybe there's something that's
> >>>>>> yet another variation to consider.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> regards,
> >>>>>> Judy
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Judy Stern
> >>>>>> Educational Technology Services, UC Berkeley
> >>>>>> [email protected]
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Christopher Brooks, BSc, MSc
> >>>>> ARIES Laboratory, University of Saskatchewan
> >>>>>
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