HI Chris,

Of course I'll be glad to coordinate the group if the others think it's OK.
I'd wait for Matjaz to respond to your call and we could send an email in
private to those people you mentioned, to coordinate a meeting and discuss
the process. Of course, if others are willing to collaborate, please say it
out loud and you can join the group, bearreng in mind what Chis said: ""all
of us" doesn't sound like an ideal number for getting things done!".

If somebody disagrees or has some ideas or comments, please reply to this
mail.

Regards
Rubén

2011/11/29 Christopher Brooks <[email protected]>

> Hi Matjaz,
>
> The problem with "the one" is that I think it might be hard to find that
> person.  We have a whole host of issues, for instance, many developers use
> mac os and ubuntu to develop but most installations seem to happen on rhel.
>  While we could write packages for every OS, we would quickly find that
> that's not sustainable (you and I agree on this point).  But, would it be
> sustainable to have *developer instructions* which use scripts, and *a
> single packaged distribution* for adopters?  I don't know.
>
> So, I haven't seen any opposition yet, but here is what I'm #proposing:
>
> Ruben, matjaz, greg, tobias, rrolf form this group.  In the next two weeks
> this group comes up with a *clear* and *sustainable* installation process.
>  This group can fight over the details, but hopefully will come up with
> some consensus around what needs to be done.  And that this group deliver
> their results to the main body of us by creating a set of 1.4 tasks around
> two stories ("As an adopter I want an easy installation process" and "As a
> developer I want an easy installation process").  Maybe we could have
> someone from the group present the results at the December 20th team
> meeting?  This would be ideal to me as there is a board meeting the next
> day, and I know this is an issue that the board is interested in.
>
> 1.3 installation is explicitly not an issue this group would deal with, we
> just do it the same way we always have and osna might commit some
> installers.
>
> Ruben and Matjaz: you have both done the most on the install setup thus
> far.  Are you willing to lead these meetings and be responsible for
> reporting back to the group the by Dec 20?
>
> Chris
>
> Matjaz Rihtar <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Having a dedicated working group is a great idea, but there should be
> "The One" who will decide at the end what will be implemented.
> >
> >>> Lots of suggestions have come up in several discussions; make deb and
> rpm packages, provide vms, write a core install bash script, don't
> advertise support for certain OSes, etc.
> >> +1 to the idea of the Matterhorn packages!
> >
> >As much as packages are useful for quick installations, they are
> typically bound to the current OS environment (mostly libraries).
> >This means somebody will have to maintain a lot of different packages
> because of different OSes we support *or* have complex pre-install and
> post-install scripts built into the packages. If we create these scripts, I
> don't see any particular value to put them in a package.
> >Maintaining separate scripts is in my opinion easier and we can still
> create a single installation script, which would do everything.
> >
> >I already did something similar for MH 1.2 (sent to this list), which
> includes several scripts which adapt to the environment. Default MH 1.2 is
> installed and configured with a simple call to "install_all.sh". This then
> installs java, maven, subversion, felix, 3rd party tools, gets MH sources
> and compiles MH. A simple config file providing local configuration
> parameters could easily be added. The same could also be done for CA or
> other combinations.
> >
> >About support for certain OSes: maybe we should more clearly state that
> MH is tested & supported on OSx only. On all other or newer versions
> support will be added if there's enough interest. From the bug report that
> we receive we don't know how many people besides the reporter use the new
> (version of) OS.
> >
> >Regards,
> >  Matjaz
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