Pawel, I have to admit that it is difficult to understand what you are proposing as a solution. One suggestion I have is to provide a sketch so we can visualize how the UI would change.
Judy On May 23, 2012, at 12:37 AM, Pawel Fic wrote: > Hi! > Rubén, thanks for putting this up! > I am a part of NCast, I will catch up on those, and think of something! > Sorry for not responding earlier, I needed time to read all about it. > > > Judy, here is my opinion: > > >Recordings page should really be about what we're currently calling > >"Episodes" > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Agreed! > > >new, powerful feature has been "added" > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Come on! Browsing a list of videos uploaded to the server is a powerful > feature? It sounds like basic future. > When I was a newcome to Matterhorn, I was thinking recordings are recordings > and recordings page is what episodes are right now. > > > > For the first time I have noticed it it looked fine, > When digged into it it turned out to be a complete mess! > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > FIX Proporsal: > ------------------------------- > I would like to fix it, because as it is right now I find it unusable, but I > need the agreement on this group. Here I am nobody, I need support of at > least majority of the community (commiters), but before I do that I need to > do research on "how it supposed to be". > > So: > On the "recordings" page..... > > The simpliest solution would be to group the operations by mediapackage ID, > then display all mediapackages as single row, going into details would be > going into details of episode. > > > The best solution would be to; > (a) organize the data that is stored inside matterhorn (project / documenting) > (b) agree on what and how supposed offered by endpoints (project/documenting) > (c) implement the endpoints (fix them to match the spec) > (c) design what is going to be on admin pages > (d) implement it > > BUT First of all prior to everything what there must be a drawing of those... > up to 10? data tables that are right now all over inside solr search indexes, > databases (SQL & Solr). > > There must be a NF3 or at least NF2 drawing saying: > WORKFLOW has a reference to EPISODE > > not table of WORKFLOWs containt copy of EPISODEs as it was when it was > created.... > > Right now: I edit the title of an episode --> and workflows (aka recordings) > are the same. > > Do not change the name of "Recordings".... > I am willing to do that... (the design of tables), but I will have to > cooperate with somebody from the group, and prior to that get an agreement > that this would necessary. > > -Pawel > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 5/23/12, Judy Stern <[email protected]> wrote: > > From: Judy Stern <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Opencast Matterhorn] Episodes are hidden > To: "Opencast Matterhorn" <[email protected]> > Date: Wednesday, May 23, 2012, 12:08 AM > > Thanks for pointing to those, Ruben. > Pawel, you'll see that there is much agreement about the confusing nature of > the UI. I think it is safe to say that a new, powerful feature has been > "added" but not (yet) well integrated into the UI. > To answer one of your questions, I would say that it was never an > *assumption* that there would only be one workflow per mediapackage... a > number of us actually assumed the Recordings UI would be iterated on to be > able to reflect multiple passes on a mediapackage...in effect the Recordings > page should really be about what we're currently calling "Episodes" with > additional information about what has been done to each (what's currently > available on "Recordings"). You can see one sketch (still needs plenty of > work), here: > http://opencast.jira.com/wiki/display/MH/Combining+Episodes+and+Workflow+Instances > Hopefully those iterations (to better integrate the functionality in the UI) > will happen, but currently there seems to be a shortage of development > resources. > > Judy > > > On May 22, 2012, at 3:27 AM, Rubén Pérez wrote: > >> Pawel, >> >> There has been several discussions in the list about this topic: >> >> http://opencast.3480289.n2.nabble.com/Joint-efforts-by-NCast-and-Entwine-to-deliver-episode-service-td6743644.html >> http://opencast.3480289.n2.nabble.com/Renaming-the-quot-Recordings-quot-tab-proposal-td6783119i20.html >> http://opencast.3480289.n2.nabble.com/Enabling-the-Episode-service-for-1-3-by-default-proposal-td7305364.html#a7315498 >> http://opencast.3480289.n2.nabble.com/Minor-changes-to-Admin-UI-to-avoid-new-terminology-quot-Episodes-quot-proposal-td7441651.html >> >> I hope your doubts are all replied there. Please come back with any remaning >> doubts you have. >> >> Best regards >> Rubén >> >> >> 2012/5/21 Pawel Fic <[email protected]> >> Hi, >> I have noticed that Episodes tab is hidden by default. >> However it allows performing operations like Retract, Publish, Remove from >> Hard drive operations on video files uploaded to Matterhorn. >> >> But when I do that, the list of "finished recordings" of course grows. >> Well, I wanted to: >> (1) upload a video file >> (2) publish it >> (3) perform segmentation >> (4) retract the video from Media Module >> (5) re-publish it (when it's segmentated). >> >> It all works, but of course in finished recordings I have following items: >> 1. My Recording - Finished (upload) >> 2. My Recording - Finished (publish) >> 3. My Recording - Finished (segmentation) >> 4. My Recording - Finished (retract) >> 5. My Recording - Finished (publish) >> >> Of course because each entry in "Recordings" stands for one successfully >> finished set of operations (Workflow) performed on the recording. >> >> So.... Actual list of recordings uploaded to the server is on Episodes tab. >> >> I also know that: >> 1. Upcoming workflow reflect the scheduler >> 2. Capturing workflow... reflect something between scheduler and already >> ingested video. >> 3. Finished /On Hold / Failed ... reflect the results of workflow. >> >> So... at some point I am confused what should be where. >> >> >> >> It all looks great under a simple assumption, that only one workflow will >> be performed on the uploaded video. Is this an important or obsolete >> assumption? >> >> In my case, I have following (custom) workflows: >> upload, - just upload a video file to server >> upload & publish, -- upload the file and automatically publish it in MG >> publish, -- publish file that is already uploaded >> retract -- retract (hide) the file from where it was distributed (MG) >> >> >> So.... >> shouldn't be the Recordings tab turned into "Operation log" and "Episodes" >> tab enabled by default, "schedule a recording", "upload" moved into >> "Episodes"... and so on. Upcoming & Capturing also moved somewhere else... >> did somebody thought about redesigning it ? >> >> -Pawel >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Matterhorn mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.opencastproject.org/mailman/listinfo/matterhorn >> >> >> To unsubscribe please email >> [email protected] >> _______________________________________________ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Matterhorn mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.opencastproject.org/mailman/listinfo/matterhorn >> >> >> To unsubscribe please email >> [email protected] >> _______________________________________________ > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > Matterhorn mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.opencastproject.org/mailman/listinfo/matterhorn > > > To unsubscribe please email > [email protected] > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Matterhorn mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.opencastproject.org/mailman/listinfo/matterhorn > > > To unsubscribe please email > [email protected] > _______________________________________________
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