Yes, I will Judy,
I am going to attend Matterhorn Unconference... I have to do some preparation.
Other than this, we have few events upcoming in the beginning of June.
Basically I am Capture Agent developer, but I am interested in contributing to
the server development.
--- On Tue, 5/29/12, Judy Stern <[email protected]> wrote:
From: Judy Stern <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Opencast Matterhorn] Episodes are hidden
To: "Opencast Matterhorn" <[email protected]>
Date: Tuesday, May 29, 2012, 11:42 PM
Pawel,I have to admit that it is difficult to understand what you are proposing
as a solution. One suggestion I have is to provide a sketch so we can visualize
how the UI would change.
Judy
On May 23, 2012, at 12:37 AM, Pawel Fic wrote:
Hi!
Rubén, thanks for putting this up!
I am a part of NCast, I will catch up on those, and think of something!
Sorry for not responding earlier, I needed time to read all about it.
Judy, here is my opinion:
>Recordings page should really be about what we're currently calling "Episodes"
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Agreed!
>new, powerful feature has been "added"
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Come on! Browsing a list of videos uploaded to the server is a powerful
feature? It sounds like basic future.
When I was a newcome to Matterhorn, I was thinking recordings are recordings
and recordings page is what episodes are right now.
For the first time I have noticed it it looked
fine,
When digged into it it turned out to be a complete mess!
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FIX Proporsal:
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I would like to fix it, because as it is right now I find it unusable, but I
need the agreement on this group. Here I am nobody, I need support of at least
majority of the community (commiters), but before I do that I need to do
research on "how it supposed to be".
So:
On the "recordings" page.....
The simpliest solution would be to group the operations by mediapackage ID,
then display all mediapackages as single row, going into details would be going
into details of episode.
The best solution would be to;
(a) organize the data that is stored inside matterhorn (project / documenting)
(b) agree on what and how supposed offered by endpoints (project/documenting)
(c) implement the endpoints (fix them to
match the spec)
(c) design what is going to be on admin pages
(d) implement it
BUT First of all prior to everything what there must be a drawing of those...
up to 10? data tables that are right now all over inside solr search indexes,
databases (SQL & Solr).
There must be a NF3 or at least NF2 drawing saying:
WORKFLOW has a reference to EPISODE
not table of WORKFLOWs containt copy of EPISODEs as it was when it was
created....
Right now: I edit the title of an episode --> and workflows (aka recordings)
are the same.
Do not change the name of "Recordings"....
I am willing to do that... (the design of tables), but I will have to cooperate
with somebody from the group, and prior to that get an agreement that this
would necessary.
-Pawel
--- On Wed, 5/23/12, Judy Stern <[email protected]> wrote:
From: Judy Stern <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Opencast Matterhorn] Episodes are hidden
To: "Opencast Matterhorn" <[email protected]>
Date: Wednesday, May 23, 2012, 12:08 AM
Thanks for pointing to those, Ruben.Pawel, you'll see that there is much
agreement about the confusing nature of the UI. I think it is safe to say that
a new, powerful feature has been "added" but not (yet) well integrated into the
UI. To answer one of your questions, I would say that it was never an
*assumption* that there would only be one workflow per mediapackage... a number
of us actually assumed the Recordings UI would be iterated on to be able to
reflect multiple passes on a mediapackage...in effect the Recordings page
should really be about what we're currently calling "Episodes" with
additional information about what has been done to each (what's currently
available on "Recordings"). You can see one sketch (still needs plenty of
work),
here: http://opencast.jira.com/wiki/display/MH/Combining+Episodes+and+Workflow+InstancesHopefully
those iterations (to better integrate the functionality in the UI) will
happen, but currently there seems to be a shortage of development resources.
Judy
On May 22, 2012, at 3:27 AM, Rubén Pérez wrote:
Pawel,
There has been several discussions in the list about this topic:
http://opencast.3480289.n2.nabble.com/Joint-efforts-by-NCast-and-Entwine-to-deliver-episode-service-td6743644.html
http://opencast.3480289.n2.nabble.com/Renaming-the-quot-Recordings-quot-tab-proposal-td6783119i20.html
http://opencast.3480289.n2.nabble.com/Enabling-the-Episode-service-for-1-3-by-default-proposal-td7305364.html#a7315498
http://opencast.3480289.n2.nabble.com/Minor-changes-to-Admin-UI-to-avoid-new-terminology-quot-Episodes-quot-proposal-td7441651.html
I hope your doubts are all replied there. Please come back with any remaning
doubts you have.
Best regardsRubén
2012/5/21 Pawel Fic <[email protected]>
Hi,
I have noticed that Episodes tab is hidden by default.
However it allows performing operations like Retract, Publish, Remove from Hard
drive operations on video files uploaded to Matterhorn.
But when I do that, the list of "finished recordings" of course grows.
Well, I wanted to:
(1) upload a video file
(2) publish it
(3) perform segmentation
(4) retract the video from Media Module
(5) re-publish it (when it's segmentated).
It all works, but of course in finished recordings I have following items:
1. My Recording - Finished (upload)
2. My Recording - Finished (publish)
3. My Recording - Finished (segmentation)
4. My Recording - Finished (retract)
5. My Recording - Finished (publish)
Of course because each entry in "Recordings" stands for one successfully
finished set of operations (Workflow) performed on the recording.
So.... Actual list of recordings uploaded to the server is on Episodes tab.
I also know that:
1. Upcoming workflow reflect the scheduler
2. Capturing workflow... reflect something between scheduler and already
ingested video.
3. Finished /On Hold / Failed ... reflect the results of workflow.
So... at some point I am confused what should be where.
It all looks great under a simple assumption, that only one workflow will be
performed on the uploaded video. Is this an important or obsolete assumption?
In my case, I have following (custom) workflows:
upload, - just upload a video file to server
upload & publish, -- upload the file and automatically publish it in MG
publish, -- publish file that is already uploaded
retract -- retract (hide) the file from where it was distributed (MG)
So....
shouldn't be the Recordings tab turned into "Operation log" and "Episodes" tab
enabled by default, "schedule a recording", "upload" moved into "Episodes"...
and so on. Upcoming & Capturing also moved somewhere else...
did somebody thought about redesigning it ?
-Pawel
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