Amalyah, My point addressed those that were able to get funding for this by any means and what to do with the system. If the people or a foundation or a donor pay $100K for the system this is a gift and does not need to be allocated or recovered. If you borrow the money and are expected to repay a debt (this would be a new idea) you can find a fair way to repay those funds. Mission determines not only policy but budget priorities. Alan
On 5/21/09 11:18 AM, "Amalyah Keshet" <akeshet at imj.org.il> wrote: > Alan: One thing I've learned in exploring the possibilities for setting up > an online, download-it-yourself site is that the cost of maintenance, > bandwidth, and 24/7 support is not trivial, and there is indeed human service > involved. The thing doesn't literally run itself. And the cost of the > build is far from trivial - anywhere from $50,000 to $150,00. I have to pay > for that with something -- no one's handing us the money to do it. That > something is going to have to be a revenue stream. "Mission-driven public > policy" may make us look in the direction of an online, download-it-yourself > site, but it isn't going to pay to make it happen. Amalyah Keshet Head of > Image Resources & Copyright Management The Israel Museum, > Jerusalem ________________________________________ ?????: > ??mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] ??? Newman, Alan > [A-Newman at NGA.GOV] ??????: ????? ????? 21 ??? 2009 15:17 ????: Museum Computer > Network Listserv ??????: Re: [MCN-L] ??RE: Image Sizes (later Image > Theft) Hi Amalyah, My point was that after the build the maintenance costs > are trivial to keep the self-serve part of the system going. There is only > automated file delivery and no human service...for that part of the > program. The main question, debated here often, is whether this should be > mission-driven public policy rather than thought off as a crucial revenue > stream. In my imaginary proposal you get both. Alan -----Original > Message----- From: [email protected] on behalf of Amalyah Keshet > [akeshet at imj.org.il] Sent: Thu 5/21/2009 4:26 AM To: Museum Computer Network > Listserv Subject: [MCN-L] ??RE: Image Sizes (later Image Theft) "When we > build self-serve sites for image licensing which have trivial costs after the > build, and especially if we are using the people's money, it is hard to > justify charging for extant images of public domain art." Trivial costs? Not > according to our CIO. I'm struggling to get something like this online, due > to the sheer cost, which is most certainly not paid for by "the people's > money". And we need to remember that people aren't paying for "images of > public domain art" (an abstract) but for image files + delivery + > service. "As Mark Jones, director of the V&A remarked, paraphrased as told to > me, "the people paid for this once, why should they pay again?" Perhaps the > V&A is a fully-government-funded institution (with a very active commercial > branch, V&A Enterprises, Ltd., to help support it -- including an excellent > for-payment picture library). But not so my non-government-funded > institution. We literally do not have a photography budget. High-quality > images are paid for by individual exhibition catalog budgets, which are fully > funded by private donations. Amalyah Keshet Head of Image Resources & > Copyright Management The Israel Museum, > Jerusalem ________________________________________ ? From: Newman, Alan > <A-Newman at NGA.GOV> Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Image Sizes (later Image Theft) To: > "Museum Computer Network Listserv" <mcn-l at mcn.edu> Date: Wednesday, May 20, > 2009, 1:12 PM Nik, Matt, Ken, Nancy, Mike et al, Here's another music model > --- from Radiohead (quoting from Wikipedia") "Radiohead's seventh album, In > Rainbows, was released through the band's own website on 10 October 2007 as a > digital download for which customers could make whatever payment that they > wanted, including nothing; the site only advised, "it's up to you".[46] > Following the band's sudden announcement 10 days beforehand, Radiohead's > unusual strategy received much notice within the music industry and > beyond.[47] 1.2 million downloads were reportedly sold by the day of > release,[48] but the band's management did not release official sales figures, > claiming that the Internet-only distribution was intended to boost later > retail sales." So we adopt a museum convention in use at the Met and > elsewhere for admissions: pay what you can afford for images. What could be > more fair? What could draw more attention to our collections? Who knows, this > might be the answer to Mariet Westermann's recommendation to streamline > image licensing. When we build self-serve sites for image licensing which > have trivial costs after the build, and especially if we are using the > people's money, it is hard to justify charging for extant images of public > domain art. As Mark Jones, director of the V&A remarked, paraphrased as told > to me, "the people paid for this once, why should they pay again?" Nik, wish > me luck getting this through. Alan Newman On 5/5/09 6:23 PM, "Nik > Honeysett" <NHoneysett at getty.edu> wrote: > This reminds me of a classic > example in the music industry in the early 90's. > Blue Note Record's legal > team came across a 12" single called "The Band Played > the Boogie" featuring > an illegal sampling of Grant Green's "Sookie Sookie", > enjoying a huge > underground following. Rather than pursue a suit, Blue Note > hired the group > and gave them access to their full back catalogue. The > resulting release was > Blue Note's first platinum-selling album (Us3 - Hand on > the Torch). So, put > your images out there, wait for someone to figure out > how to make money from > them, then hire them. 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