The Canadian Heritage Information Network (CHIN) recently completed a study
that addresses new competencies in museums, and especially the impact that
technology has had on the museum worker and Museum Studies Programs in
Canada and in the US. The study was undertaken by faculty members in the
Faculty of Information at the University of Toronto and will be available
this Fall at www.chin.gc.ca.
Irene van Bavel
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Canadian Heritage Information Network (CHIN)
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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:10:03 -0500
From: "Heidi Raatz" <[email protected]>
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Museum Colleagues,
> You've got a forum here, why not start here instead of waiting for the
next VR SIG meeting?
Good point Bruce! I see I've been lax in relying on MCN-L as a forum for
expressing & discussing topics of concern to museum VR professionals.
Hopefully you all will forgive my oversight. Though I've been a museum
professional for many years my listserv focus has until recently been
primarily on VRA-l and ARLIS-l. Now I know what I've been missing and will
try to get up to speed.
A fellow MIA staffer Treden Wagoner, our Technology & Training Specialist
(also not a museum job on "the list") suggested it may be helpful for MCN
to launch a Museum Jobs wiki to which we could all be contributors of
information regarding our varied jobs and work responsibilities. Certainly
a different variety of source material than those cited by Jennifer and the
forthcoming sources such as the IMLS report per Diane Zorich and MCN
efforts mentioned by Marla Misunas. An interesting idea nevertheless.
Thanks all for this thoughtful discussion! It is actually a relief to know
that my job is amongst many "not on the list". I'm glad I piped up about
it too, if for no other reason than to shed light on the fact that the
source material purporting to be about museum professions and competencies
has not kept pace with the evolution of the professions themselves.
Heidi
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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:51:18 -0400
From: Rich Cherry <[email protected]>
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Drury,
Like many technology questions this has very little to do with the
technology (although many will claim otherwise), it has to do with the
religion the IT department practices. If an IT department has a strong MAC
person then it's fairly easy to integrate and use without issues, if the IT
department is ambivalent or hostile to MAC then it depends on the status of
the requester in the institution on how good they are supported (sometimes
outside support is contracted). So when I was CIO in a museum with no MAC
person we resisted, when I was at a museum where I could hire a great MAC
support person we supported and expanded it and our users benefited from
the
diversity.
Rich
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Subject: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
Help! The Museum of the Confederacy is seeking advice from fellow museum
professionals.
We are starting a digitization project, and are beginning by scanning over
6000 original photographs we have in our collection. We are looking at
buying a 24" iMac, but are now addressing concerns about whether Mac
software will be compatible with the museum's PC-based server, and whether
we will be able to integrate Mac image files with our PC-based Collections
databases. We plan to store the images on an external hard drive as well,
but again are wondering how difficult it will be to retrieve the images and
use them on PC software.
Any suggestions?
Thanks a lot, and sorry if this question is a repeat of one that has been
asked of the listserv a million times before.
Drury Wellford
Ann Drury Wellford
Photo Services Manager
The Museum of the Confederacy
1201 East Clay Street
Richmond, VA 23219
Phone: (804) 649-1861 x17
Fax: (804) 644-7150
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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:37:57 -0400
From: Leonard Steinbach <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
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Having managed support for mixed environments in moderate to large
organizations, though predominantly PC, since the introduction of the Mac
Plus, I would like to second Rich's thoughts and add a little.
The primary concern should be user productivity and functional efficacy;
most seeming "difficulties" in a PC environment can be overcome.. However,
in analyzing the cost of bringing in (especially your first) Macs, one
should include some funds for technical orientation or training for (at
least one) technical support staff including a good orientation to a wide
variety of formal and informal online support resources; that gives you the
win-win of getting the machines you need and professional development for
staff. There is an inherent unfairness and jeopardy in saying "guess got
we're getting and now you gotta support it."
One should also (or alternatively) identify (preferably) local Mac support
expertise which can be accessed before internal staff frustration reaches a
peak (or pique) and serves a self-fulfilling "told you so" prophecy.
Identify someone from whom staff can learn (knowledge transfer resource).
So the bottom line is that perceived problems in bringing Macs into an
otherwise PC environment can be avoided or resolved by making sure that
access to and funds for support services (internal or outsourced) are in
place. It should and can be a positive experience for "user" staff and IT
staff alike, and need not turn into "us" vs. them.
Hope this helps.
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 1:51 PM, Rich Cherry
<rcherry at balboaparkonline.org>wrote:
> Drury,
>
> Like many technology questions this has very little to do with the
> technology (although many will claim otherwise), it has to do with the
> religion the IT department practices. If an IT department has a
> strong MAC person then it's fairly easy to integrate and use without
> issues, if the IT department is ambivalent or hostile to MAC then it
> depends on the status of the requester in the institution on how good
> they are supported (sometimes outside support is contracted). So when
> I was CIO in a museum with no MAC person we resisted, when I was at a
> museum where I could hire a great MAC support person we supported and
> expanded it and our users benefited from the diversity.
>
> Rich
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf
> Of Drury Wellford
> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:23 AM
> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
> Subject: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
>
> Help! The Museum of the Confederacy is seeking advice from fellow
> museum professionals.
>
> We are starting a digitization project, and are beginning by scanning
> over 6000 original photographs we have in our collection. We are
> looking at buying a 24" iMac, but are now addressing concerns about
> whether Mac software will be compatible with the museum's PC-based
> server, and whether we will be able to integrate Mac image files with
> our PC-based Collections databases. We plan to store the images on an
> external hard drive as well, but again are wondering how difficult it
> will be to retrieve the images and use them on PC software.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Thanks a lot, and sorry if this question is a repeat of one that has
> been asked of the listserv a million times before.
>
> Drury Wellford
>
> Ann Drury Wellford
> Photo Services Manager
> The Museum of the Confederacy
> 1201 East Clay Street
> Richmond, VA 23219
> Phone: (804) 649-1861 x17
> Fax: (804) 644-7150
> www.moc.org
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:57:36 -0400
From: "Eisenhardt, Chuck" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
To: "Museum Computer Network Listserv" <mcn-l at mcn.edu>
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Ah, nothing like a good ol' 'Mac vs. PC' engagement.
I agree entirely with Jeff's points here. To see an organizational
preference for a Windows network termed a 'religious' response, ie. somehow
not a considered business strategy, but an article of faith or
prejudgement,
is unseemly.
I agree also with Rich on the point that the differences in the platforms
are in no way a technical 'schism' but at base, are entirely a matter of
packaging the same technology, starting with very basic audience
expectations.
Was the Apple 'keyboard power button' (remember that
break-through?) technologically different from or advanced over a hardware
switch? And, in going back to a chassis-based switch why (in the iMac) put
it on the back of the workstation? 'Ease of use'.
We are a W2008 server network and our Macs are happily integrated. I
recognize the strengths and suitability for certain Mac-only or 'Mac-first'
applications, but so far we seem to have a happy marriage.
I think those guys in the Apple ads ought to move to New Hampshire and 'tie
the knot'.
Chuck Eisenhardt
Director of Information Technology
Boston Children's Museum
-----Original Message-----
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Jeff
L. La Clair
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 1:27 PM
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
If you are on a Windows 2008 DC and policy's with AD and WSUS (updates),
and
unhealthy PC checks when a non-domain computer enters your network
(managment) for PC's is much easier as well as deployment methods of
patches
and updates. without the need to invest. I have 16 Mac's and
156 PC's... By far the PC's are much easier to manage, deploy and patch.
Jeff
Thank You,
Jeff La Clair
Director of Information Technology
Baltimore Museum of Art
10 Art Museum Dr
Baltimore, MD. 21218
443-573-1596
Jllaclair at artbma.org
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Wyman
[bwyman at denverartmuseum.org]
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 1:27 PM
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
>Management. PC environment much easier to control users with AD and
>user profiles (when roaming).
Jeff, you might be interested in Apple's current document (updated last in
April, 2009) - Best Practices: Integrating Mac OS X with Active Directory
available at
<http://images.apple.com/business/solutions/it/docs/Best_Practices_Activ
e_Directory.pdf>
Or, if you prefer, Apple also offers an online seminar (view in the browser
or download) at
<http://seminars.apple.com/seminarsonline/activedir/apple/index.html?s=3
01>
covering much of the same material.
We maintain a mixed environment here in Denver and have had no problems
over
the last 5 years with mac users in our AD controlled network. In fact, half
of the Technology Department uses OS X with virtualized windows
environments.
-bw.
--
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
-=-=-=-=
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Denver Art Museum / 100 W 14th Ave. Pkwy, Denver, CO 80204
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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:58:50 -0400
From: Leonard Steinbach <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
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And I think the guys in certain IT departments should "untie the not" j
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 2:57 PM, Eisenhardt, Chuck <
eisenhardt at bostonkids.org> wrote:
> Ah, nothing like a good ol' 'Mac vs. PC' engagement.
>
> I agree entirely with Jeff's points here. To see an organizational
> preference for a Windows network termed a 'religious' response, ie.
> somehow not a considered business strategy, but an article of faith or
> prejudgement, is unseemly.
>
> I agree also with Rich on the point that the differences in the
> platforms are in no way a technical 'schism' but at base, are entirely
> a matter of packaging the same technology, starting with very basic
> audience expectations.
>
> Was the Apple 'keyboard power button' (remember that
> break-through?) technologically different from or advanced over a
> hardware switch? And, in going back to a chassis-based switch why (in
> the iMac) put it on the back of the workstation? 'Ease of use'.
>
> We are a W2008 server network and our Macs are happily integrated. I
> recognize the strengths and suitability for certain Mac-only or
> 'Mac-first' applications, but so far we seem to have a happy marriage.
>
> I think those guys in the Apple ads ought to move to New Hampshire and
> 'tie the knot'.
>
> Chuck Eisenhardt
> Director of Information Technology
> Boston Children's Museum
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf
> Of Jeff L. La Clair
> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 1:27 PM
> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
> Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
>
> If you are on a Windows 2008 DC and policy's with AD and WSUS
> (updates), and unhealthy PC checks when a non-domain computer enters
> your network
> (managment) for PC's is much easier as well as deployment methods of
> patches and updates. without the need to invest. I have 16 Mac's and
> 156 PC's... By far the PC's are much easier to manage, deploy and patch.
> Jeff
>
> Thank You,
>
> Jeff La Clair
> Director of Information Technology
> Baltimore Museum of Art
> 10 Art Museum Dr
> Baltimore, MD. 21218
> 443-573-1596
> Jllaclair at artbma.org
> ________________________________________
> From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf Of Bruce
> Wyman [bwyman at denverartmuseum.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 1:27 PM
> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
> Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
>
> >Management. PC environment much easier to control users with AD and
> >user profiles (when roaming).
>
> Jeff, you might be interested in Apple's current document (updated
> last in April, 2009) - Best Practices: Integrating Mac OS X with
> Active Directory available at
> <http://images.apple.com/business/solutions/it/docs/Best_Practices_Act
> iv
> e_Directory.pdf<http://images.apple.com/business/solutions/it/docs/Bes
> t_Practices_Activ%0Ae_Directory.pdf>
> >
>
> Or, if you prefer, Apple also offers an online seminar (view in the
> browser or download) at
> <http://seminars.apple.com/seminarsonline/activedir/apple/index.html?s
> =3
> 01>
> covering much of the same material.
>
> We maintain a mixed environment here in Denver and have had no
> problems over the last 5 years with mac users in our AD controlled
> network. In fact, half of the Technology Department uses OS X with
> virtualized windows environments.
>
> -bw.
> --
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> -=
> -=-=-=-=
> Bruce Wyman, Director of Technology
> Denver Art Museum / 100 W 14th Ave. Pkwy, Denver, CO 80204
> office: 720.913.0159 / fax: 720.913.0002
> <bwyman at denverartmuseum.org>
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 15:01:00 -0400
From: "Drury Wellford" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
To: "Museum Computer Network Listserv" <mcn-l at mcn.edu>
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Thank you Rich. This is one of the answers I really wanted to get as we
are
already heading in this unfortunate direction!
Ann Drury Wellford
Photo Services Manager
The Museum of the Confederacy
1201 East Clay Street
Richmond, VA 23219
Phone: (804) 649-1861 x17
Fax: (804) 644-7150
www.moc.org
-----Original Message-----
From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
Rich
Cherry
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 1:51 PM
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
Drury,
Like many technology questions this has very little to do with the
technology (although many will claim otherwise), it has to do with the
religion the IT department practices. If an IT department has a strong MAC
person then it's fairly easy to integrate and use without issues, if the IT
department is ambivalent or hostile to MAC then it depends on the status of
the requester in the institution on how good they are supported (sometimes
outside support is contracted). So when I was CIO in a museum with no MAC
person we resisted, when I was at a museum where I could hire a great MAC
support person we supported and expanded it and our users benefited from
the
diversity.
Rich
-----Original Message-----
From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
Drury Wellford
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:23 AM
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
Subject: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
Help! The Museum of the Confederacy is seeking advice from fellow museum
professionals.
We are starting a digitization project, and are beginning by scanning over
6000 original photographs we have in our collection. We are looking at
buying a 24" iMac, but are now addressing concerns about whether Mac
software will be compatible with the museum's PC-based server, and whether
we will be able to integrate Mac image files with our PC-based Collections
databases. We plan to store the images on an external hard drive as well,
but again are wondering how difficult it will be to retrieve the images and
use them on PC software.
Any suggestions?
Thanks a lot, and sorry if this question is a repeat of one that has been
asked of the listserv a million times before.
Drury Wellford
Ann Drury Wellford
Photo Services Manager
The Museum of the Confederacy
1201 East Clay Street
Richmond, VA 23219
Phone: (804) 649-1861 x17
Fax: (804) 644-7150
www.moc.org
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:01:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: william jahsman <[email protected]>
Subject: [MCN-L] Fw: Grant Opportunity Reminder from NEDCC
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A grant some of you SMEs out there might be interested in.
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Park City Consulting
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 19:01:47 -0400
From: Jeff Evans <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv <mcn-l at mcn.edu>
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Drury, Rich is right. You wont have any real troubles, unless youre
working with something exotic. Most of the issues are only user
related. Be sure to have your imaging and color management performed
on a Mac (for a bunch of reasons) but with some common sense workflow
decisions everything will be fine. And if your doing any in-house
printing, you'll like that better on a Mac too.
My personal opinion is that most mac users I have worked with are
somewhat more self sufficient than the PC users and can handle the
smaller issues before they become bigger issues and need an IT person
to assist.
Please dont start a string with that :)
jeff
Jeffrey Evans
Photographer, Digital Imaging Specialist
Princeton University Art Museum
609.258.8579
www.princetonartmuseum.org
On Jun 24, 2009, at 3:01 PM, Drury Wellford wrote:
> Thank you Rich. This is one of the answers I really wanted to get
> as we
> are already heading in this unfortunate direction!
>
> Ann Drury Wellford
> Photo Services Manager
> The Museum of the Confederacy
> 1201 East Clay Street
> Richmond, VA 23219
> Phone: (804) 649-1861 x17
> Fax: (804) 644-7150
> www.moc.org
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf
> Of
> Rich Cherry
> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 1:51 PM
> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
> Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
>
> Drury,
>
> Like many technology questions this has very little to do with the
> technology (although many will claim otherwise), it has to do with the
> religion the IT department practices. If an IT department has a
> strong
> MAC person then it's fairly easy to integrate and use without
> issues, if
> the IT department is ambivalent or hostile to MAC then it depends on
> the
> status of the requester in the institution on how good they are
> supported (sometimes outside support is contracted). So when I was
> CIO
> in a museum with no MAC person we resisted, when I was at a museum
> where
> I could hire a great MAC support person we supported and expanded it
> and
> our users benefited from the diversity.
>
> Rich
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf
> Of
> Drury Wellford
> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:23 AM
> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
> Subject: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
>
> Help! The Museum of the Confederacy is seeking advice from fellow
> museum professionals.
>
> We are starting a digitization project, and are beginning by scanning
> over 6000 original photographs we have in our collection. We are
> looking at buying a 24" iMac, but are now addressing concerns about
> whether Mac software will be compatible with the museum's PC-based
> server, and whether we will be able to integrate Mac image files with
> our PC-based Collections databases. We plan to store the images on an
> external hard drive as well, but again are wondering how difficult it
> will be to retrieve the images and use them on PC software.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Thanks a lot, and sorry if this question is a repeat of one that has
> been asked of the listserv a million times before.
>
> Drury Wellford
>
> Ann Drury Wellford
> Photo Services Manager
> The Museum of the Confederacy
> 1201 East Clay Street
> Richmond, VA 23219
> Phone: (804) 649-1861 x17
> Fax: (804) 644-7150
> www.moc.org
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:51:55 -1000
From: Chris Scrofani <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
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Cheer up! You'll learn a lot, and if you ignore Apple's smug
advertising, you might even learn to like the Macs.
Chris
--
Chris Scrofani
Network Administrator
Honolulu Academy of Arts
900 South Beretania Street
Honolulu, HI 96814
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Drury Wellford wrote:
> Thank you Rich. This is one of the answers I really wanted to get as we
> are already heading in this unfortunate direction!
>
> Ann Drury Wellford
> Photo Services Manager
> The Museum of the Confederacy
> 1201 East Clay Street
> Richmond, VA 23219
> Phone: (804) 649-1861 x17
> Fax: (804) 644-7150
> www.moc.org
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf Of
> Rich Cherry
> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 1:51 PM
> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
> Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
>
> Drury,
>
> Like many technology questions this has very little to do with the
> technology (although many will claim otherwise), it has to do with the
> religion the IT department practices. If an IT department has a strong
> MAC person then it's fairly easy to integrate and use without issues, if
> the IT department is ambivalent or hostile to MAC then it depends on the
> status of the requester in the institution on how good they are
> supported (sometimes outside support is contracted). So when I was CIO
> in a museum with no MAC person we resisted, when I was at a museum where
> I could hire a great MAC support person we supported and expanded it and
> our users benefited from the diversity.
>
> Rich
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf Of
> Drury Wellford
> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:23 AM
> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
> Subject: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
>
> Help! The Museum of the Confederacy is seeking advice from fellow
> museum professionals.
>
> We are starting a digitization project, and are beginning by scanning
> over 6000 original photographs we have in our collection. We are
> looking at buying a 24" iMac, but are now addressing concerns about
> whether Mac software will be compatible with the museum's PC-based
> server, and whether we will be able to integrate Mac image files with
> our PC-based Collections databases. We plan to store the images on an
> external hard drive as well, but again are wondering how difficult it
> will be to retrieve the images and use them on PC software.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Thanks a lot, and sorry if this question is a repeat of one that has
> been asked of the listserv a million times before.
>
> Drury Wellford
>
> Ann Drury Wellford
> Photo Services Manager
> The Museum of the Confederacy
> 1201 East Clay Street
> Richmond, VA 23219
> Phone: (804) 649-1861 x17
> Fax: (804) 644-7150
> www.moc.org
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 08:01:58 -0500
From: "John Bedard" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
To: "Museum Computer Network Listserv" <mcn-l at mcn.edu>
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Interesting reading all the responses that this post generated. Some
emotional and very thoughtful.
One point not made is that Apple does not provide the same type of support
and advance look on products to enterprises that Microsoft does, it seems
to ignore the business market in favor or providing the consumer with the
"wow" factor. And then let consumers work to get Macs, iphones, etc. into
the enterprise. It avoids marketing to the enterprise.
This is one point that is constantly made in the computer trade press, that
Apple seems to intentionally ignore the enterprise market.
This doesn't imply that their products are appropriate or not, just that
they don't really market to enterprises. So most enterprises will not put
any priority in implementing their products.
John R. Bedard | Director of Information Systems
Minneapolis Institute of Arts
2400 Third Avenue South
Minneapolis, MN 55404
612-870-3268 | JBedard at artsmia.org | www.artsmia.org (
http://www.artsmia.org/ )
>>> "Drury Wellford" <DWellford at moc.org> 6/24/2009 11:23 AM >>>
Help! The Museum of the Confederacy is seeking advice from fellow
museum professionals.
We are starting a digitization project, and are beginning by scanning
over 6000 original photographs we have in our collection. We are
looking at buying a 24" iMac, but are now addressing concerns about
whether Mac software will be compatible with the museum's PC-based
server, and whether we will be able to integrate Mac image files with
our PC-based Collections databases. We plan to store the images on an
external hard drive as well, but again are wondering how difficult it
will be to retrieve the images and use them on PC software.
Any suggestions?
Thanks a lot, and sorry if this question is a repeat of one that has
been asked of the listserv a million times before.
Drury Wellford
Ann Drury Wellford
Photo Services Manager
The Museum of the Confederacy
1201 East Clay Street
Richmond, VA 23219
Phone: (804) 649-1861 x17
Fax: (804) 644-7150
www.moc.org
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 14:04:50 +0100
From: "Mark Evely" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] mcn-l Digest, Vol 45, Issue 18 - using a MAC vs
PC
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My questions is why do you feel you need a 24" MAC?
More importantly you need a well spec'ed and fast machine, if you feel
you need to evaluate the image on screen then you need a colour
corrected monitor such as www.eizo.com . The colour management and using
a Gretag Macbeth color chart with every image (very important), then you
use three points on the black, grey,white to adjust the file which does
not require a colour corrected screen as its all done by numbers. plenty
of info on www.xrite.com regarding calibration.
So its is more important to get your method and colour calibration
right than have 24" MAC which would still need calibating and has a
different gamma than a PC.
Also scanning using a flatbed scanner may not be the best method and
certainly not the quickest method - however scanners are cheaper than a
high end camera system.
Scanner means the surface is in contact with glass, depending on its
age and condition that may not be a good idea plus the scanning light
may pick up the surface of the photo, a high end camera means nothing
touches the photography and its easier to remove surface glare.
Mark Evely
Digital Systems Manager
Collection Management
020 7091 3081
07976 297034
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:51:18 -0400
From: Rich Cherry <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv <mcn-l at mcn.edu>
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Drury,
Like many technology questions this has very little to do with the
technology (although many will claim otherwise), it has to do with the
religion the IT department practices. If an IT department has a strong
MAC person then it's fairly easy to integrate and use without issues, if
the IT department is ambivalent or hostile to MAC then it depends on the
status of the requester in the institution on how good they are
supported (sometimes outside support is contracted). So when I was CIO
in a museum with no MAC person we resisted, when I was at a museum where
I could hire a great MAC support person we supported and expanded it and
our users benefited from the diversity.
Rich
-----Original Message-----
From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf
Of
Drury Wellford
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:23 AM
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
Subject: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
Help! The Museum of the Confederacy is seeking advice from fellow
museum professionals.
We are starting a digitization project, and are beginning by scanning
over 6000 original photographs we have in our collection. We are
looking at buying a 24" iMac, but are now addressing concerns about
whether Mac software will be compatible with the museum's PC-based
server, and whether we will be able to integrate Mac image files with
our PC-based Collections databases. We plan to store the images on an
external hard drive as well, but again are wondering how difficult it
will be to retrieve the images and use them on PC software.
Any suggestions?
Thanks a lot, and sorry if this question is a repeat of one that has
been asked of the listserv a million times before.
Drury Wellford
Ann Drury Wellford
Photo Services Manager
The Museum of the Confederacy
1201 East Clay Street
Richmond, VA 23219
Phone: (804) 649-1861 x17
Fax: (804) 644-7150
www.moc.org
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:37:57 -0400
From: Leonard Steinbach <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv <mcn-l at mcn.edu>
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Having managed support for mixed environments in moderate to large
organizations, though predominantly PC, since the introduction of the
Mac
Plus, I would like to second Rich's thoughts and add a little.
The primary concern should be user productivity and functional
efficacy;
most seeming "difficulties" in a PC environment can be overcome..
However,
in analyzing the cost of bringing in (especially your first) Macs, one
should include some funds for technical orientation or training for
(at
least one) technical support staff including a good orientation to a
wide
variety of formal and informal online support resources; that gives you
the
win-win of getting the machines you need and professional development
for
staff. There is an inherent unfairness and jeopardy in saying "guess
got
we're getting and now you gotta support it."
One should also (or alternatively) identify (preferably) local Mac
support
expertise which can be accessed before internal staff frustration
reaches a
peak (or pique) and serves a self-fulfilling "told you so" prophecy.
Identify someone from whom staff can learn (knowledge transfer
resource).
So the bottom line is that perceived problems in bringing Macs into an
otherwise PC environment can be avoided or resolved by making sure
that
access to and funds for support services (internal or outsourced) are
in
place. It should and can be a positive experience for "user" staff and
IT
staff alike, and need not turn into "us" vs. them.
Hope this helps.
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 1:51 PM, Rich Cherry
<rcherry at balboaparkonline.org>wrote:
> Drury,
>
> Like many technology questions this has very little to do with the
> technology (although many will claim otherwise), it has to do with
the
> religion the IT department practices. If an IT department has a
strong MAC
> person then it's fairly easy to integrate and use without issues, if
the IT
> department is ambivalent or hostile to MAC then it depends on the
status of
> the requester in the institution on how good they are supported
(sometimes
> outside support is contracted). So when I was CIO in a museum with
no MAC
> person we resisted, when I was at a museum where I could hire a great
MAC
> support person we supported and expanded it and our users benefited
from the
> diversity.
>
> Rich
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf
Of
> Drury Wellford
> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:23 AM
> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
> Subject: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
>
> Help! The Museum of the Confederacy is seeking advice from fellow
> museum professionals.
>
> We are starting a digitization project, and are beginning by
scanning
> over 6000 original photographs we have in our collection. We are
> looking at buying a 24" iMac, but are now addressing concerns about
> whether Mac software will be compatible with the museum's PC-based
> server, and whether we will be able to integrate Mac image files
with
> our PC-based Collections databases. We plan to store the images on
an
> external hard drive as well, but again are wondering how difficult
it
> will be to retrieve the images and use them on PC software.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Thanks a lot, and sorry if this question is a repeat of one that has
> been asked of the listserv a million times before.
>
> Drury Wellford
>
> Ann Drury Wellford
> Photo Services Manager
> The Museum of the Confederacy
> 1201 East Clay Street
> Richmond, VA 23219
> Phone: (804) 649-1861 x17
> Fax: (804) 644-7150
> www.moc.org
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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:57:36 -0400
From: "Eisenhardt, Chuck" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
To: "Museum Computer Network Listserv" <mcn-l at mcn.edu>
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Ah, nothing like a good ol' 'Mac vs. PC' engagement.
I agree entirely with Jeff's points here. To see an
organizational preference for a Windows network termed
a 'religious' response, ie. somehow not a considered business
strategy, but an article of faith or prejudgement, is
unseemly.
I agree also with Rich on the point that the differences
in the platforms are in no way a technical 'schism' but
at base, are entirely a matter of packaging the same
technology, starting with very basic audience
expectations.
Was the Apple 'keyboard power button' (remember that
break-through?) technologically different from or advanced
over a hardware switch? And, in going back to a
chassis-based switch why (in the iMac) put it on the
back of the workstation? 'Ease of use'.
We are a W2008 server network and our Macs are happily
integrated. I recognize the strengths and suitability
for certain Mac-only or 'Mac-first' applications,
but so far we seem to have a happy marriage.
I think those guys in the Apple ads ought
to move to New Hampshire and 'tie the knot'.
Chuck Eisenhardt
Director of Information Technology
Boston Children's Museum
-----Original Message-----
From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf
Of
Jeff L. La Clair
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 1:27 PM
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
If you are on a Windows 2008 DC and policy's with AD and WSUS
(updates),
and unhealthy PC checks when a non-domain computer enters your network
(managment) for PC's is much easier as well as deployment methods of
patches and updates. without the need to invest. I have 16 Mac's and
156 PC's... By far the PC's are much easier to manage, deploy and
patch.
Jeff
Thank You,
Jeff La Clair
Director of Information Technology
Baltimore Museum of Art
10 Art Museum Dr
Baltimore, MD. 21218
443-573-1596
Jllaclair at artbma.org
________________________________________
From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bruce
Wyman [bwyman at denverartmuseum.org]
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 1:27 PM
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
>Management. PC environment much easier to control users with AD and
>user profiles (when roaming).
Jeff, you might be interested in Apple's current document (updated
last in April, 2009) - Best Practices: Integrating Mac OS X with
Active Directory available at
<http://images.apple.com/business/solutions/it/docs/Best_Practices_Activ
e_Directory.pdf>
Or, if you prefer, Apple also offers an online seminar (view in the
browser or download) at
<http://seminars.apple.com/seminarsonline/activedir/apple/index.html?s=3
01>
covering much of the same material.
We maintain a mixed environment here in Denver and have had no
problems over the last 5 years with mac users in our AD controlled
network. In fact, half of the Technology Department uses OS X with
virtualized windows environments.
-bw.
--
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
-=-=-=-=
Bruce Wyman, Director of Technology
Denver Art Museum / 100 W 14th Ave. Pkwy, Denver, CO 80204
office: 720.913.0159 / fax: 720.913.0002
<bwyman at denverartmuseum.org>
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:58:50 -0400
From: Leonard Steinbach <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv <mcn-l at mcn.edu>
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And I think the guys in certain IT departments should "untie the not"
j
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 2:57 PM, Eisenhardt, Chuck <
eisenhardt at bostonkids.org> wrote:
> Ah, nothing like a good ol' 'Mac vs. PC' engagement.
>
> I agree entirely with Jeff's points here. To see an
> organizational preference for a Windows network termed
> a 'religious' response, ie. somehow not a considered business
> strategy, but an article of faith or prejudgement, is
> unseemly.
>
> I agree also with Rich on the point that the differences
> in the platforms are in no way a technical 'schism' but
> at base, are entirely a matter of packaging the same
> technology, starting with very basic audience
> expectations.
>
> Was the Apple 'keyboard power button' (remember that
> break-through?) technologically different from or advanced
> over a hardware switch? And, in going back to a
> chassis-based switch why (in the iMac) put it on the
> back of the workstation? 'Ease of use'.
>
> We are a W2008 server network and our Macs are happily
> integrated. I recognize the strengths and suitability
> for certain Mac-only or 'Mac-first' applications,
> but so far we seem to have a happy marriage.
>
> I think those guys in the Apple ads ought
> to move to New Hampshire and 'tie the knot'.
>
> Chuck Eisenhardt
> Director of Information Technology
> Boston Children's Museum
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf
Of
> Jeff L. La Clair
> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 1:27 PM
> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
> Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
>
> If you are on a Windows 2008 DC and policy's with AD and WSUS
(updates),
> and unhealthy PC checks when a non-domain computer enters your
network
> (managment) for PC's is much easier as well as deployment methods of
> patches and updates. without the need to invest. I have 16 Mac's
and
> 156 PC's... By far the PC's are much easier to manage, deploy and
patch.
> Jeff
>
> Thank You,
>
> Jeff La Clair
> Director of Information Technology
> Baltimore Museum of Art
> 10 Art Museum Dr
> Baltimore, MD. 21218
> 443-573-1596
> Jllaclair at artbma.org
> ________________________________________
> From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf Of
Bruce
> Wyman [bwyman at denverartmuseum.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 1:27 PM
> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
> Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
>
> >Management. PC environment much easier to control users with AD
and
> >user profiles (when roaming).
>
> Jeff, you might be interested in Apple's current document (updated
> last in April, 2009) - Best Practices: Integrating Mac OS X with
> Active Directory available at
>
<http://images.apple.com/business/solutions/it/docs/Best_Practices_Activ
>
e_Directory.pdf<
http://images.apple.com/business/solutions/it/docs/Best_Practices_Activ%0Ae_Directory.pdf
>
> >
>
> Or, if you prefer, Apple also offers an online seminar (view in the
> browser or download) at
>
<http://seminars.apple.com/seminarsonline/activedir/apple/index.html?s=3
> 01>
> covering much of the same material.
>
> We maintain a mixed environment here in Denver and have had no
> problems over the last 5 years with mac users in our AD controlled
> network. In fact, half of the Technology Department uses OS X with
> virtualized windows environments.
>
> -bw.
> --
>
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> -=-=-=-=
> Bruce Wyman, Director of Technology
> Denver Art Museum / 100 W 14th Ave. Pkwy, Denver, CO 80204
> office: 720.913.0159 / fax: 720.913.0002
> <bwyman at denverartmuseum.org>
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 15:01:00 -0400
From: "Drury Wellford" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
To: "Museum Computer Network Listserv" <mcn-l at mcn.edu>
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Thank you Rich. This is one of the answers I really wanted to get as
we
are already heading in this unfortunate direction!
Ann Drury Wellford
Photo Services Manager
The Museum of the Confederacy
1201 East Clay Street
Richmond, VA 23219
Phone: (804) 649-1861 x17
Fax: (804) 644-7150
www.moc.org
-----Original Message-----
From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf
Of
Rich Cherry
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 1:51 PM
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
Drury,
Like many technology questions this has very little to do with the
technology (although many will claim otherwise), it has to do with the
religion the IT department practices. If an IT department has a
strong
MAC person then it's fairly easy to integrate and use without issues,
if
the IT department is ambivalent or hostile to MAC then it depends on
the
status of the requester in the institution on how good they are
supported (sometimes outside support is contracted). So when I was
CIO
in a museum with no MAC person we resisted, when I was at a museum
where
I could hire a great MAC support person we supported and expanded it
and
our users benefited from the diversity.
Rich
-----Original Message-----
From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf
Of
Drury Wellford
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:23 AM
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
Subject: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
Help! The Museum of the Confederacy is seeking advice from fellow
museum professionals.
We are starting a digitization project, and are beginning by scanning
over 6000 original photographs we have in our collection. We are
looking at buying a 24" iMac, but are now addressing concerns about
whether Mac software will be compatible with the museum's PC-based
server, and whether we will be able to integrate Mac image files with
our PC-based Collections databases. We plan to store the images on an
external hard drive as well, but again are wondering how difficult it
will be to retrieve the images and use them on PC software.
Any suggestions?
Thanks a lot, and sorry if this question is a repeat of one that has
been asked of the listserv a million times before.
Drury Wellford
Ann Drury Wellford
Photo Services Manager
The Museum of the Confederacy
1201 East Clay Street
Richmond, VA 23219
Phone: (804) 649-1861 x17
Fax: (804) 644-7150
www.moc.org
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 09:31:29 -0400
From: Richard Anderson <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [MCN-L] mcn-l Digest, Vol 45, Issue 18 - using a MAC vs
PC
To: Museum Computer Network Listserv <mcn-l at mcn.edu>
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Mark-
While it's true that an uncalibrated Mac defaults to 1.8 gamma-If the
24" Mac is calibrated and profiled to 2.2 Gamma- then it doesn't have
a different gamma than PC.
Richard Anderson, ASMP Digital Standards Chair
On Jun 25, 2009, at 9:04 AM, Mark Evely wrote:
> My questions is why do you feel you need a 24" MAC?
>
> More importantly you need a well spec'ed and fast machine, if you feel
> you need to evaluate the image on screen then you need a colour
> corrected monitor such as www.eizo.com . The colour management and
> using
> a Gretag Macbeth color chart with every image (very important), then
> you
> use three points on the black, grey,white to adjust the file which
> does
> not require a colour corrected screen as its all done by numbers.
> plenty
> of info on www.xrite.com regarding calibration.
>
> So its is more important to get your method and colour calibration
> right than have 24" MAC which would still need calibating and has a
> different gamma than a PC.
>
> Also scanning using a flatbed scanner may not be the best method and
> certainly not the quickest method - however scanners are cheaper
> than a
> high end camera system.
>
> Scanner means the surface is in contact with glass, depending on its
> age and condition that may not be a good idea plus the scanning light
> may pick up the surface of the photo, a high end camera means nothing
> touches the photography and its easier to remove surface glare.
>
>
>
> Mark Evely
>
> Digital Systems Manager
> Collection Management
> 020 7091 3081
> 07976 297034
>
>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:51:18 -0400
> From: Rich Cherry <rcherry at balboaparkonline.org>
> Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv <mcn-l at mcn.edu>
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>
> Drury,
>
> Like many technology questions this has very little to do with the
> technology (although many will claim otherwise), it has to do with the
> religion the IT department practices. If an IT department has a
> strong
> MAC person then it's fairly easy to integrate and use without
> issues, if
> the IT department is ambivalent or hostile to MAC then it depends on
> the
> status of the requester in the institution on how good they are
> supported (sometimes outside support is contracted). So when I was
> CIO
> in a museum with no MAC person we resisted, when I was at a museum
> where
> I could hire a great MAC support person we supported and expanded it
> and
> our users benefited from the diversity.
>
> Rich
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf
> Of
> Drury Wellford
> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:23 AM
> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
> Subject: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
>
> Help! The Museum of the Confederacy is seeking advice from fellow
> museum professionals.
>
> We are starting a digitization project, and are beginning by scanning
> over 6000 original photographs we have in our collection. We are
> looking at buying a 24" iMac, but are now addressing concerns about
> whether Mac software will be compatible with the museum's PC-based
> server, and whether we will be able to integrate Mac image files with
> our PC-based Collections databases. We plan to store the images on an
> external hard drive as well, but again are wondering how difficult it
> will be to retrieve the images and use them on PC software.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Thanks a lot, and sorry if this question is a repeat of one that has
> been asked of the listserv a million times before.
>
> Drury Wellford
>
> Ann Drury Wellford
> Photo Services Manager
> The Museum of the Confederacy
> 1201 East Clay Street
> Richmond, VA 23219
> Phone: (804) 649-1861 x17
> Fax: (804) 644-7150
> www.moc.org
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> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:37:57 -0400
> From: Leonard Steinbach <lensteinbach at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv <mcn-l at mcn.edu>
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>
> Having managed support for mixed environments in moderate to large
> organizations, though predominantly PC, since the introduction of the
> Mac
> Plus, I would like to second Rich's thoughts and add a little.
>
> The primary concern should be user productivity and functional
> efficacy;
> most seeming "difficulties" in a PC environment can be overcome..
> However,
> in analyzing the cost of bringing in (especially your first) Macs, one
> should include some funds for technical orientation or training for
> (at
> least one) technical support staff including a good orientation to a
> wide
> variety of formal and informal online support resources; that gives
> you
> the
> win-win of getting the machines you need and professional development
> for
> staff. There is an inherent unfairness and jeopardy in saying "guess
> got
> we're getting and now you gotta support it."
>
> One should also (or alternatively) identify (preferably) local Mac
> support
> expertise which can be accessed before internal staff frustration
> reaches a
> peak (or pique) and serves a self-fulfilling "told you so" prophecy.
> Identify someone from whom staff can learn (knowledge transfer
> resource).
>
> So the bottom line is that perceived problems in bringing Macs into an
> otherwise PC environment can be avoided or resolved by making sure
> that
> access to and funds for support services (internal or outsourced) are
> in
> place. It should and can be a positive experience for "user" staff and
> IT
> staff alike, and need not turn into "us" vs. them.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 1:51 PM, Rich Cherry
> <rcherry at balboaparkonline.org>wrote:
>
>> Drury,
>>
>> Like many technology questions this has very little to do with the
>> technology (although many will claim otherwise), it has to do with
> the
>> religion the IT department practices. If an IT department has a
> strong MAC
>> person then it's fairly easy to integrate and use without issues, if
> the IT
>> department is ambivalent or hostile to MAC then it depends on the
> status of
>> the requester in the institution on how good they are supported
> (sometimes
>> outside support is contracted). So when I was CIO in a museum with
> no MAC
>> person we resisted, when I was at a museum where I could hire a great
> MAC
>> support person we supported and expanded it and our users benefited
> from the
>> diversity.
>>
>> Rich
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf
> Of
>> Drury Wellford
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:23 AM
>> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
>> Subject: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
>>
>> Help! The Museum of the Confederacy is seeking advice from fellow
>> museum professionals.
>>
>> We are starting a digitization project, and are beginning by
> scanning
>> over 6000 original photographs we have in our collection. We are
>> looking at buying a 24" iMac, but are now addressing concerns about
>> whether Mac software will be compatible with the museum's PC-based
>> server, and whether we will be able to integrate Mac image files
> with
>> our PC-based Collections databases. We plan to store the images on
> an
>> external hard drive as well, but again are wondering how difficult
> it
>> will be to retrieve the images and use them on PC software.
>>
>> Any suggestions?
>>
>> Thanks a lot, and sorry if this question is a repeat of one that has
>> been asked of the listserv a million times before.
>>
>> Drury Wellford
>>
>> Ann Drury Wellford
>> Photo Services Manager
>> The Museum of the Confederacy
>> 1201 East Clay Street
>> Richmond, VA 23219
>> Phone: (804) 649-1861 x17
>> Fax: (804) 644-7150
>> www.moc.org
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:57:36 -0400
> From: "Eisenhardt, Chuck" <eisenhardt at bostonkids.org>
> Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
> To: "Museum Computer Network Listserv" <mcn-l at mcn.edu>
> Message-ID: <390190D57098A14BB2E7BFCEA227FB5902DCD5F2 at opus.kidlan.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Ah, nothing like a good ol' 'Mac vs. PC' engagement.
>
> I agree entirely with Jeff's points here. To see an
> organizational preference for a Windows network termed
> a 'religious' response, ie. somehow not a considered business
> strategy, but an article of faith or prejudgement, is
> unseemly.
>
> I agree also with Rich on the point that the differences
> in the platforms are in no way a technical 'schism' but
> at base, are entirely a matter of packaging the same
> technology, starting with very basic audience
> expectations.
>
> Was the Apple 'keyboard power button' (remember that
> break-through?) technologically different from or advanced
> over a hardware switch? And, in going back to a
> chassis-based switch why (in the iMac) put it on the
> back of the workstation? 'Ease of use'.
>
> We are a W2008 server network and our Macs are happily
> integrated. I recognize the strengths and suitability
> for certain Mac-only or 'Mac-first' applications,
> but so far we seem to have a happy marriage.
>
> I think those guys in the Apple ads ought
> to move to New Hampshire and 'tie the knot'.
>
> Chuck Eisenhardt
> Director of Information Technology
> Boston Children's Museum
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf
> Of
> Jeff L. La Clair
> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 1:27 PM
> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
> Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
>
> If you are on a Windows 2008 DC and policy's with AD and WSUS
> (updates),
> and unhealthy PC checks when a non-domain computer enters your network
> (managment) for PC's is much easier as well as deployment methods of
> patches and updates. without the need to invest. I have 16 Mac's and
> 156 PC's... By far the PC's are much easier to manage, deploy and
> patch.
> Jeff
>
> Thank You,
>
> Jeff La Clair
> Director of Information Technology
> Baltimore Museum of Art
> 10 Art Museum Dr
> Baltimore, MD. 21218
> 443-573-1596
> Jllaclair at artbma.org
> ________________________________________
> From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf Of Bruce
> Wyman [bwyman at denverartmuseum.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 1:27 PM
> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
> Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
>
>> Management. PC environment much easier to control users with AD and
>> user profiles (when roaming).
>
> Jeff, you might be interested in Apple's current document (updated
> last in April, 2009) - Best Practices: Integrating Mac OS X with
> Active Directory available at
> <http://images.apple.com/business/solutions/it/docs/Best_Practices_Activ
>
> e_Directory.pdf>
>
> Or, if you prefer, Apple also offers an online seminar (view in the
> browser or download) at
> <http://seminars.apple.com/seminarsonline/activedir/apple/index.html?s=3
>
> 01>
> covering much of the same material.
>
> We maintain a mixed environment here in Denver and have had no
> problems over the last 5 years with mac users in our AD controlled
> network. In fact, half of the Technology Department uses OS X with
> virtualized windows environments.
>
> -bw.
> --
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> =-=
> -=-=-=-=
> Bruce Wyman, Director of Technology
> Denver Art Museum / 100 W 14th Ave. Pkwy, Denver, CO 80204
> office: 720.913.0159 / fax: 720.913.0002
> <bwyman at denverartmuseum.org>
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:58:50 -0400
> From: Leonard Steinbach <lensteinbach at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv <mcn-l at mcn.edu>
> Message-ID:
> <b07138290906241158t4478697dy93e9446b3144a53d at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> And I think the guys in certain IT departments should "untie the not"
> j
>
> On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 2:57 PM, Eisenhardt, Chuck <
> eisenhardt at bostonkids.org> wrote:
>
>> Ah, nothing like a good ol' 'Mac vs. PC' engagement.
>>
>> I agree entirely with Jeff's points here. To see an
>> organizational preference for a Windows network termed
>> a 'religious' response, ie. somehow not a considered business
>> strategy, but an article of faith or prejudgement, is
>> unseemly.
>>
>> I agree also with Rich on the point that the differences
>> in the platforms are in no way a technical 'schism' but
>> at base, are entirely a matter of packaging the same
>> technology, starting with very basic audience
>> expectations.
>>
>> Was the Apple 'keyboard power button' (remember that
>> break-through?) technologically different from or advanced
>> over a hardware switch? And, in going back to a
>> chassis-based switch why (in the iMac) put it on the
>> back of the workstation? 'Ease of use'.
>>
>> We are a W2008 server network and our Macs are happily
>> integrated. I recognize the strengths and suitability
>> for certain Mac-only or 'Mac-first' applications,
>> but so far we seem to have a happy marriage.
>>
>> I think those guys in the Apple ads ought
>> to move to New Hampshire and 'tie the knot'.
>>
>> Chuck Eisenhardt
>> Director of Information Technology
>> Boston Children's Museum
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf
> Of
>> Jeff L. La Clair
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 1:27 PM
>> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
>> Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
>>
>> If you are on a Windows 2008 DC and policy's with AD and WSUS
> (updates),
>> and unhealthy PC checks when a non-domain computer enters your
> network
>> (managment) for PC's is much easier as well as deployment methods of
>> patches and updates. without the need to invest. I have 16 Mac's
> and
>> 156 PC's... By far the PC's are much easier to manage, deploy and
> patch.
>> Jeff
>>
>> Thank You,
>>
>> Jeff La Clair
>> Director of Information Technology
>> Baltimore Museum of Art
>> 10 Art Museum Dr
>> Baltimore, MD. 21218
>> 443-573-1596
>> Jllaclair at artbma.org
>> ________________________________________
>> From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf Of
> Bruce
>> Wyman [bwyman at denverartmuseum.org]
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 1:27 PM
>> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
>> Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
>>
>>> Management. PC environment much easier to control users with AD
> and
>>> user profiles (when roaming).
>>
>> Jeff, you might be interested in Apple's current document (updated
>> last in April, 2009) - Best Practices: Integrating Mac OS X with
>> Active Directory available at
>>
> <http://images.apple.com/business/solutions/it/docs/Best_Practices_Activ
>
>>
> e_Directory.pdf<
http://images.apple.com/business/solutions/it/docs/Best_Practices_Activ%0Ae_Directory.pdf
> >
>>>
>>
>> Or, if you prefer, Apple also offers an online seminar (view in the
>> browser or download) at
>>
> <http://seminars.apple.com/seminarsonline/activedir/apple/index.html?s=3
>
>> 01>
>> covering much of the same material.
>>
>> We maintain a mixed environment here in Denver and have had no
>> problems over the last 5 years with mac users in our AD controlled
>> network. In fact, half of the Technology Department uses OS X with
>> virtualized windows environments.
>>
>> -bw.
>> --
>>
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> =-=
>> -=-=-=-=
>> Bruce Wyman, Director of Technology
>> Denver Art Museum / 100 W 14th Ave. Pkwy, Denver, CO 80204
>> office: 720.913.0159 / fax: 720.913.0002
>> <bwyman at denverartmuseum.org>
>> _______________________________________________
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> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 15:01:00 -0400
> From: "Drury Wellford" <DWellford at moc.org>
> Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
> To: "Museum Computer Network Listserv" <mcn-l at mcn.edu>
> Message-ID:
> <02D2744AD2AB4645BE301A91328D3A2C200EED at MOCMAIN.moc.org.local>
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>
> Thank you Rich. This is one of the answers I really wanted to get as
> we
> are already heading in this unfortunate direction!
>
> Ann Drury Wellford
> Photo Services Manager
> The Museum of the Confederacy
> 1201 East Clay Street
> Richmond, VA 23219
> Phone: (804) 649-1861 x17
> Fax: (804) 644-7150
> www.moc.org
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf
> Of
> Rich Cherry
> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 1:51 PM
> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
> Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
>
> Drury,
>
> Like many technology questions this has very little to do with the
> technology (although many will claim otherwise), it has to do with the
> religion the IT department practices. If an IT department has a
> strong
> MAC person then it's fairly easy to integrate and use without issues,
> if
> the IT department is ambivalent or hostile to MAC then it depends on
> the
> status of the requester in the institution on how good they are
> supported (sometimes outside support is contracted). So when I was
> CIO
> in a museum with no MAC person we resisted, when I was at a museum
> where
> I could hire a great MAC support person we supported and expanded it
> and
> our users benefited from the diversity.
>
> Rich
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf
> Of
> Drury Wellford
> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:23 AM
> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
> Subject: [MCN-L] Mac vs. PC
>
> Help! The Museum of the Confederacy is seeking advice from fellow
> museum professionals.
>
> We are starting a digitization project, and are beginning by scanning
> over 6000 original photographs we have in our collection. We are
> looking at buying a 24" iMac, but are now addressing concerns about
> whether Mac software will be compatible with the museum's PC-based
> server, and whether we will be able to integrate Mac image files with
> our PC-based Collections databases. We plan to store the images on an
> external hard drive as well, but again are wondering how difficult it
> will be to retrieve the images and use them on PC software.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Thanks a lot, and sorry if this question is a repeat of one that has
> been asked of the listserv a million times before.
>
> Drury Wellford
>
> Ann Drury Wellford
> Photo Services Manager
> The Museum of the Confederacy
> 1201 East Clay Street
> Richmond, VA 23219
> Phone: (804) 649-1861 x17
> Fax: (804) 644-7150
> www.moc.org
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