At 17:11 3-8-01 -0400, you wrote:

>"Tom P.D. Daniels" wrote:
>
> > Generally ? meaning what ? it obviously depends on where you get the mp3.
> > When downloading from kazaa and the like, the quality indeed varies
> > greatly.BUT all the mp3s i created myself are either 256 or 320 kbps cbr or
> > lame vbr. This is equivalent to cd-quality (meaning only 'golden ear'
> > people can detect the difference in a blind listening test, much like with
> > MD) Please check out http://r3mix.cjb.net for more info on achieving
> > 'CD-quality' MP3s.
> >
> > Tom,
>
>Once you start making MP3 files at 320 kbps, you are greatly increasing 
>the size
>of the file and decreasing the amount of compression you are 
>using.  Eventually
>you reach a point of diminishing returns.

That's why i'm now mostly using lame vbr. this mostly gives me average 
bitrates of 160-220 kbps (depending on the source music) which sounds 
equally if not better than 320 kbps cbr files. Also with cd-r having upto 
700 mb of storage capacity even 320 kbps leaves lots of music space ! (when 
compared to md's ~150 mb)


>One question, there is standard bit rate for SPMDs (standard 
>MDs).  Although you
>can vary the bit rate for MP3 files, isn't there a bit rate that is 
>considered the
>generally accepted standard (like 128)?  At least 80% of the MP3 files I 
>have seen
>are recorded at 128.

I think the standard is upto each person for themselfs. On crappy 
pc-speakers 128 or 256 kbps won't make that   much of a difference. But for 
people like me who have a (DVD/)MP3 player  in  their stereo setup i guess 
the 'general accepted' standard is a lot higher than 128. Plus that since 
it's a standard with the variable bitrate already in there, all player 
which are compliant can play it.


>If I were able to double the bit rate of ATRAC I would get half the 
>storage space
>but " create MDs equivalent to cd-quality" that even " 'golden ear' 
>people" might
>not be able to "detect the difference in a blind listening test"

But you aren't (thanks to sony...). That's one of the pre's of mp3 over md.

Tom


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