I want to work for your company then please... :) From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Linkey, Mike Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 10:53 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [MDT-OSD] Rant/ Suggestion for OSes of the future and MDT / CM OSDing
+1 From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Marcum, John Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 10:50 AM To: '[email protected]' Subject: RE: [MDT-OSD] Rant/ Suggestion for OSes of the future and MDT / CM OSDing I've actually found over the past few years that those guys don't really give a crap if IE says, "Provided by The Big Silly Company" or not. What the issue really is to me is IT guys who have always branded things want to keep doing it. If approached with this a CIO would likely say they don't care and it's not worth the spend. I don't brand anything anymore. ________________________________ John Marcum Sr. Desktop Architect Bradley Arant Boult Cummings LLP ________________________________ From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Charles Moore Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 8:49 AM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: RE: [MDT-OSD] Rant/ Suggestion for OSes of the future and MDT / CM OSDing Jason, I agree with you and respect what you are saying, we know it because everyone in this form is in the business. The problem isn't us knowing. It's the Big Boys and Girls above us that want it and get what they want because they make the big bucks to say so. From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [mailto:[email protected]]<mailto:[mailto:[email protected]]> On Behalf Of Jason Sandys Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 8:45 AM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: RE: [MDT-OSD] Rant/ Suggestion for OSes of the future and MDT / CM OSDing I remember seeing estimates on the amount of the US GDP wasted by folks screwing around with fonts in their documents. Screwing around with "branding" - most of which the user never even sees or notices or has any impact on their job or productivity - is just as big of a time waster. Set a background and be done with it. Everything else is complexity and cost for zero gain/value. J From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Anjos, Valter Ângelo Brites, Vodafone Portugal EXT Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 3:59 AM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: RE: [MDT-OSD] Rant/ Suggestion for OSes of the future and MDT / CM OSDing Hi Keith, I think the problem here is the "MCS Hydration Branding Kit" isn't available for everyone. So I agree with Charles because I already faced exactly the same issues. When I was creating the reference image for Windows 8.1 some branding customizations weren't working anymore. I had to check which regkeys were changed when the accent and tattoo were changed. Thank you, Best Regards, Valter Anjos Systems Engineer Front End Services Vodafone Portugal Mobile: +351912104234 Phone: +351210914725 Email: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [Description: Vodafone]<http://www.vodafone.pt/> Sede: Av. D. João II, Lote 1.04.01, Parque das Nações, 1998-017 Lisboa, Portugal vodafone.pt <http://www.vodafone.pt/> This message and any files or documents attached are strictly confidential or otherwise legally protected. It is intended only for the individual or entity named. If you are not the named addressee or have received this email in error, please inform the sender immediately, delete it from your system and do not copy or disclose it or its contents or use it for any purpose. Please also note that transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free. From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Keith Garner Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 08:03 To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: RE: [MDT-OSD] Rant/ Suggestion for OSes of the future and MDT / CM OSDing You mention an example below about branding and logos. Curious I went through the "MCS Hydration Branding Kit" used by Microsoft Consulting Services, it will touch everything from: Sample Pictures, User Logos, OEM Logos, Wallpapers, Themes, OEM Info, Screen Saver, Logon UI Background, Start Screen Colors, and IE branding. So what is the difference between versions as you mention below? Between Windows 8 and Windows 8.1, for example, the only changes are to the colors and accent colors for the Start Screen, understandable since these are new features for 8.1. However, Most features have not changed between Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 including OEM Logos, WallPapers, Themes, Screen Savers. Etc. That's not to say that Microsoft doesn't like to mess up with people now and then. I was complaining just yesterday about the breaking change to the Hyper-V WIM Provider in Windows Server 2012 R2. <argh!> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh850318(v=vs.85).aspx :( However, generally I do think that there are some areas for improvement in deployment and management. Right now Microsoft provides dozens of frameworks and tools for OS deployment and management, and most applications provide documentation on installation and configuration, but it's generally up to the IT pro to add each package/application/registry setting. There are great sites like ITNinja.com that provide installation examples (although my eyes get glazed over when I see almost a hundred entries for .NET frameworks :(). Right now they are the only solution(s) that contain instructions (download, type, script). IT would be nice to have a repository of Canonical modifications/enhancements/additions to Windows in an easily importable format (into MDT,SCCM,App-V,VMM,Group Policy, whatever). I've seen several Hydration Kits that attempt to consolidate knowledge, but each their own fiefdom (I'm no saint here either). There are some not so obvious reasons why I personally don't think MSFT is ready to take on this problem in MDT and/or CM in the near future. I think you would get more traction with community efforts, perhaps an open "codeplex" repository? -k From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [mailto:[email protected]]<mailto:[mailto:[email protected]]> On Behalf Of Charles Moore Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 2:46 PM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: [MDT-OSD] Rant/ Suggestion for OSes of the future and MDT / CM OSDing Sorry to do this via the MDT Forum but I have to say.... It has become increasingly harder and stranger to deploy an OS to an end user and customize said image to end user when MS keeps changing the way you customize said OS. Here is what I am getting at... being an OSDer in today's world, I have an expectation ( I know it's my fault to expect) but, my expectation is that things either get easier or stay the same. I am all for change ( I think you have to be, to work in IT) but so far I am not very impressed with Windows 8.1. I am not impressed with the OSD using MDT or CM to perform this task, don't be confused here, I appreciate everything anyone has done with MDT or CM, they are big changes and welcomed. My issue is with the something changing in the OS which has caused MDT or CM to stop working in said OSD scenarios. So how do I know this, because I have a Deployment Share dedicated to Windows 8 solely. All of the Deployment Share is dedicated to Windows 8 and it's specific customizations. Which by the way are different from Windows 7 ( I know, for good reason) Windows 8.1 gets released, I update my MDT and ADK to the appropriate versions and my Windows 8 image still works as expected. However, the same customizations I used for Windows 8 DO NOT work for Windows 8.1..... WHY???? OK, so I am not a complainer, without a solution. So here is the solution MS if you are listening.... Every company I have ever worked for (8 now in 17 years), wants their image customized with branding of their logo and their support info and their colors and so on. How about adding a TS in MDT and CM that does just that. You create the TS group and all the steps to perform the branding and we (MDTers and CMers) input the pictures and relevant info and color schema and walla a machine is born with the default image with the customizations the company wants and everyone is happy, and my job is easier. 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