Maybe present to them the findings from Gartner as to how much our time costs and see if they want us to spend three or four days working on changing five words :)
On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 12:05 PM, Charles Moore <[email protected]>wrote: > I want to work for your company then please… J > > > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Linkey, Mike > *Sent:* Thursday, October 24, 2013 10:53 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* RE: [MDT-OSD] Rant/ Suggestion for OSes of the future and MDT > / CM OSDing > > > > +1 > > > > *From:* [email protected] [ > mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On > Behalf Of *Marcum, John > *Sent:* Thursday, October 24, 2013 10:50 AM > *To:* '[email protected]' > *Subject:* RE: [MDT-OSD] Rant/ Suggestion for OSes of the future and MDT > / CM OSDing > > > > I've actually found over the past few years that those guys don't really > give a crap if IE says, "Provided by The Big Silly Company" or not. What > the issue really is to me is IT guys who have always branded things want to > keep doing it. If approached with this a CIO would likely say they don't > care and it's not worth the spend. I don't brand anything anymore. > > > * > ------------------------------ > * > > *John Marcum* > *Sr. Desktop Architect* > > *Bradley Arant Boult Cummings LLP* > ------------------------------ > > > > *From:* [email protected] [ > mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On > Behalf Of *Charles Moore > > *Sent:* Thursday, October 24, 2013 8:49 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* RE: [MDT-OSD] Rant/ Suggestion for OSes of the future and MDT > / CM OSDing > > > > Jason, > > > > I agree with you and respect what you are saying, we know it because > everyone in this form is in the business. The problem isn’t us knowing. > It’s the Big Boys and Girls above us that want it and get what they want > because they make the big bucks to say so. > > > > *From:* [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Jason Sandys > *Sent:* Thursday, October 24, 2013 8:45 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* RE: [MDT-OSD] Rant/ Suggestion for OSes of the future and MDT > / CM OSDing > > > > I remember seeing estimates on the amount of the US GDP wasted by folks > screwing around with fonts in their documents. > > > > Screwing around with “branding” – most of which the user never even sees > or notices or has any impact on their job or productivity – is just as big > of a time waster. Set a background and be done with it. Everything else is > complexity and cost for zero gain/value. > > > > J > > > > *From:* [email protected] [ > mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On > Behalf Of *Anjos, Valter Ângelo Brites, Vodafone Portugal EXT > *Sent:* Thursday, October 24, 2013 3:59 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* RE: [MDT-OSD] Rant/ Suggestion for OSes of the future and MDT > / CM OSDing > > > > Hi Keith, > > > > I think the problem here is the “MCS Hydration Branding Kit” isn’t > available for everyone. So I agree with Charles because I already faced > exactly the same issues. > > > > When I was creating the reference image for Windows 8.1 some branding > customizations weren’t working anymore. I had to check which regkeys were > changed when the accent and tattoo were changed. > > > > Thank you, > > > > Best Regards, > > > > *Valter Anjos * > Systems Engineer > Front End Services > Vodafone Portugal > Mobile: +351912104234 > > Phone: +351210914725 > Email: [email protected] > > > [image: Description: Vodafone] <http://www.vodafone.pt/> > > Sede: Av. D. João II, Lote 1.04.01, Parque das Nações, 1998-017 Lisboa, > Portugal > > *vodafone.pt * <http://www.vodafone.pt/> > > > This message and any files or documents attached are strictly confidential > or otherwise legally protected. It is intended only for the individual or > entity named. If you are not the named addressee or have received this > email in error, please inform the sender immediately, delete it from your > system and do not copy or disclose it or its contents or use it for any > purpose. Please also note that transmission cannot be guaranteed to be > secure or error-free. > > > > > > *From:* [email protected] [ > mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On > Behalf Of *Keith Garner > > *Sent:* Thursday, October 24, 2013 08:03 > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* RE: [MDT-OSD] Rant/ Suggestion for OSes of the future and MDT > / CM OSDing > > > > > > You mention an example below about branding and logos. Curious I went > through the “MCS Hydration Branding Kit” used by Microsoft Consulting > Services, it will touch everything from: Sample Pictures, User Logos, OEM > Logos, Wallpapers, Themes, OEM Info, Screen Saver, Logon UI Background, > Start Screen Colors, and IE branding. So what is the difference between > versions as you mention below? Between Windows 8 and Windows 8.1, for > example, the only changes are to the colors and accent colors for the Start > Screen, understandable since these are new features for 8.1. However, Most > features have not changed between Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 including OEM > Logos, WallPapers, Themes, Screen Savers. Etc. > > > > That’s not to say that Microsoft doesn’t like to mess up with people now > and then. I was complaining just yesterday about the breaking change to the > Hyper-V WIM Provider in Windows Server 2012 R2. <argh!> > http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh850318(v=vs.85).aspx L > > > > However, generally I *do* think that there are some areas for improvement > in deployment and management. Right now Microsoft provides dozens of > frameworks and tools for OS deployment and management, and most > applications provide documentation on installation and configuration, but > it’s generally up to the IT pro to add each package/application/registry > setting. There are great sites like ITNinja.com that provide installation > examples (although my eyes get glazed over when I see almost a hundred > entries for .NET frameworks L). Right now they are the only solution(s) > that contain instructions (download, type, script). > > > > IT would be nice to have a repository of Canonical > modifications/enhancements/additions to Windows in an easily importable > format (into MDT,SCCM,App-V,VMM,Group Policy, whatever). I’ve seen several > Hydration Kits that attempt to consolidate knowledge, but each their own > fiefdom (I’m no saint here either). > > > > There are some not so obvious reasons why I personally don’t think MSFT is > ready to take on this problem in MDT and/or CM in the near future. I think > you would get more traction with community efforts, perhaps an open > “codeplex” repository? > > > > -k > > > > *From:* [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Charles Moore > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 23, 2013 2:46 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* [MDT-OSD] Rant/ Suggestion for OSes of the future and MDT / CM > OSDing > > > > Sorry to do this via the MDT Forum but I have to say…. > > > > > > It has become increasingly harder and stranger to deploy an OS to an end > user and customize said image to end user when MS keeps changing the way > you customize said OS. > > > > Here is what I am getting at… being an OSDer in today’s world, I have an > expectation ( I know it’s my fault to expect) but, my expectation is that > things either get easier or stay the same. I am all for change ( I think > you have to be, to work in IT) but so far I am not very impressed with > Windows 8.1. I am not impressed with the OSD using MDT or CM to perform > this task, don’t be confused here, I appreciate everything anyone has done > with MDT or CM, they are big changes and welcomed. My issue is with the > something changing in the OS which has caused MDT or CM to stop working in > said OSD scenarios. > > > > So how do I know this, because I have a Deployment Share dedicated to > Windows 8 solely. All of the Deployment Share is dedicated to Windows 8 > and it’s specific customizations. Which by the way are different from > Windows 7 ( I know, for good reason) Windows 8.1 gets released, I update > my MDT and ADK to the appropriate versions and my Windows 8 image still > works as expected. However, the same customizations I used for Windows 8 > DO NOT work for Windows 8.1….. WHY???? > > > > OK, so I am not a complainer, without a solution. > > > > So here is the solution MS if you are listening…. > > > > Every company I have ever worked for (8 now in 17 years), wants their > image customized with branding of their logo and their support info and > their colors and so on. > > How about adding a TS in MDT and CM that does just that. You create the > TS group and all the steps to perform the branding and we (MDTers and > CMers) input the pictures and relevant info and color schema and walla a > machine is born with the default image with the customizations the company > wants and everyone is happy, and my job is easier. > > > > Hope I don’t offend anyone, just trying to help really. > > > ------------------------------ > > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email message and any attachments hereto are > intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain > information which is legally privileged, confidential and/or exempt from > disclosure under applicable law. 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