Pak Ahmad Pathoni, Absolutely I agree with you that they were mentally ill coz of suffering from psychotic depression. Well, in fact in this article I just rewrote what I read in one local newspaper in Semarang, and the writer was a psychiatrist. He wrote it based on his experience handling his patients.
Regards, Nana --- In [email protected], "Ahmad Pathoni" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I don't think you can explain the phenomenon of suicide by just looking into > several cases in Indonesia. The reasons for the increase in the number of > people taking their own lives remain unclear. It is true that more men > commit suicide than women even though depressive ilnesses are more common in > women. > I think women who killed their children and took their own lives suffered > from psychotic depression, which means they were mentally ill. > > > On 6/2/07, Nana P <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > From my blog :) > > > > http://afeministblog.blogspot.com/2007/03/killing-and-suicide.html > > > > There is one interesting article in the local newspaper several days ago, > > related to my article on the tendency of women to kill their children and > > then commit suicide I posted here. I entitled it "Three Recent Cases in > > Indonesia". > > There is one interesting phenomenon to ponder: there is a clear difference > > on the reason why men and women kill some other people before they commit > > suicide. Apparently men and women choose different victims to kill: men > > kill people whom they think rob their happiness, pride, and self esteem; > > while women kill people whom they think will suffer most after they commit > > suicide. > > The "temptation" to commit suicide is of course because victims feel that > > they no longer can endure their "pain", their depression due to problems > > accumulated in their lives. The reasons recognized are different: men's > > reason is mostly related to their jobs; while women's is mostly related to > > their familial problems. > > One case taken as an example is a policeman shot his superior for > > transferring him to a smaller town. After that, this policeman committed > > suicide. He might have thought that his pride and self-esteem would > > decline because he was transferred to a smaller area. It hurt his pride as a > > man? Why didn't he just commit suicide without killing anybody? He did not > > want to see the one who made him lose his dignity as a man alive safe and > > sound. > > For women, the writer of the article took one case of a woman who killed > > her four little children, and then committed suicide. It was predicted > > that she had big financial problems while her husband was away and not > > easily accessible. This particular woman might have thought that nobody > > would take care of her children after she committed suicide. Therefore, in > > order not to make her children suffer more, she decided to kill them all. > > After death, no more misery, no more problems. > > Another interesting finding is that women get depression more often than > > men. The comparison is about 3:1 (according to the writer of the article, > > based on patients coming to his clinic). However, women tend to be able to > > cope up with their depression much better than men do. When coming to > > suicide as the "solution" to end their misery, the comparison is on the > > contrarymen commit suicide three times more often than women do. > > PT56 310307 > > > > *Sitogog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote: > > > > OOhhh sangat tragis !! > > Disayangkan bhw Pengadilan Negri tidak tahu sblm -nya akan maksud Si Ibu - > > Perempuan Depresi ini . JIKA Mereka tahu sebelumnya - kan bisa memohon pd > > Si Ibu tsb > > untuk menukar ke 4 anak perempuannya - dng Para Koruptor Kakap yg banyak > > jumblahnya dinegri ini......... > > > > -------Original Message------- > > > > From: sumarsastrowardoyo > > Date: 30.5.2007 23:38:31 > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: #sastra-pembebasan# PEREMPUAN DEPRESI JADI PEMBUNUH. > > > > Banjarmasin Post > > > > > > Thursday, 31 May 2007 03:05 > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > > > PEREMPUAN DEPRESI JADI PEMBUNUH > > 4 Anak Kandung Digantung di Kloset > > > > Gilberta Estrada tewas gantung diri. Tapi > > dia tidak sendiri. Perempuan berusia 23 tahun yang depresi itu juga > > menggantung empat anak perempuannya. Untung seorang balitanya > > berusia delapan bulan selamat dari kematian. > > > > Peristiwa yang menghebohkan ini terjadi di > > Hudson Oaks, Texas, Amerika Serikat, Rabu (30/5). Kejadian ini > > diketahui setelah saudara perempuan tersebut mendatangi tempat > > tinggal Estrada, karena perempuan itu tidak masuk kerja. > > > > Ketika didatangi, kediaman Estrada dikunci > > dari dalam. Sehingga saudaranya harus mendobrak pintu. Betapa > > terkejutnya dia ketika melihat Estrada dan empat anaknya tergantung > > di kloset trailer. Mereka gantung diri dengan ikat pinggang dan > > potongan kain. Namun seorang bayi diketahui masih hidup sehingga > > langsung dilarikan ke rumah sakit. > > > > "Ini mengerikan. Cuma itu yang bisa saya > > katakan," kata Sheriff Larry Fowler. Kepolisian meyakini kejadian > > ini sebagai bunuh diri. Sebabnya, pintu dikunci dari dalam. > > > > Sang bayi masih dirawat di Rumah Sakit Fort > > Worth. Kondisinya mulai membaik. Namun nyawa tiga anak lainnya yang > > masing-masing berusia lima tahun, tiga tahun, dan dua tahun tak > > tertolong lagi. > > > > Para tetangga tidak mengira Estrada tega > > membunuh anak-anaknya sendiri. Apalagi selama ini Estrada terlihat > > seperti ibu yang baik dan perhatian pada anak-anaknya. > > > > "Saya yakin dia ibu yang baik. Anak-anaknya > > selalu bersih dan sering bermain-main di luar. Dia kelihatannya > > berdedikasi sekali," kata pasangan suami istri, Vicky Montgomery dan > > Richard Lamb yang bermukim di dekat trailer yang menjadi tempat > > tinggal Estrada dan keempat anaknya. > > > > "Dia selalu membawa anak-anaknya ke bus > > sekolah di pagi hari dan selalu menyiapkan makan siang untuk > > mereka," tambah Richard. > > > > Menurut seorang kerabat, Estrada yang telah > > bercerai dari suaminya itu menderita depresi. "Untuk menghidupi anak- > > anaknya, di bekerja di sebuah restoran cepat saji lokal," ujarnya. > > > > Sejumlah pembunuhan anak yang dilakukan ibu > > kandung telah terjadi di Texas beberapa tahun belakangan. Kurang > > dari 4 tahun silam, Dee Etta Perez, perempuan berusia 39 tahun > > menembak mati tiga anaknya yang berusia 4, 9 dan 10 tahun sebelum > > membunuh dirinya sendiri. > > > > Andrea Yates menenggelamkan lima anaknya di > > bak mandi keluarga pada 2001. Pada 2003, Deanna Laney memukuli dua > > putranya yang masih kecil dengan batu hingga tewas. Pada 2004, Dena > > Schlosser membunuh bayi perempuannya yang berumur 10 bulan dengan > > pisau dapur. > > > > Di Indonesia juga terjadi. Pada 2006, di > > Bandung, seorang ibu di Bandung tega mencekik tiga anak hingga > > tewas. Tahun 2007, seorang ibu di Jogjakarta nekat membakar diri > > bersama dengan dua anaknya. Ketiganya pun tewas terpanggang. dtc/smh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Diharapkan Member Milis saling berinteraksi dengan baik dan harmonis. > > Dalam suasana kekeluargaan, santai, tidak harus formal, tidak saling > > menghujat dan tidak diskriminative. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Minds are like parachutes, they only function when they are open. * > > *(Sir James Dewar) > > visit my blogs please, at the following sites > > http://afemaleguest.blog.co.uk > > http://afeministblog.blogspot.com > > http://afemaleguest.multiply.com > > > > THANK YOU > > Best regards, > > Nana > > * > > > > ------------------------------ > > Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! 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