Well ItS simple really I have the answers that it takes and I would be happy to share.
> From: [email protected] > Subject: MediaWiki-l Digest, Vol 136, Issue 24 > To: [email protected] > Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 12:00:56 +0000 > > Send MediaWiki-l mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of MediaWiki-l digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. [mwstake] What should we focus on? (Mark A. Hershberger) > 2. Re: [mwstake] What should we focus on? (Dmitrii Kouznetsov) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon 26 Jan 2015 02:48:06 PM EST > From: "Mark A. Hershberger" <[email protected]> > To: MediaWiki announcements and site admin list > <[email protected]> > Subject: [MediaWiki-l] [mwstake] What should we focus on? > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain > > > At the developer summit just now, we've decided to use the tag #mwstake > (for twitter, etc) or the subject line prefix (like I've done here) for > communication on mediawiki-l for the MW stakeholders group. > > The first item we'd like to discuss with MediaWiki users is what should > we actually focus on? > > If you use MediaWiki for your own wiki, what sort of things do you think > need more attention? How can we help you find out about things you need > to know to run your wiki? > > For example, someone in this meeting said that they ran from git master > because they need to run Visual Editor. I told him that I was > successfully using VE on MW 1.24. > > This is the sort of information that would be useful for him, of course, > but we need to figure out what other things we need to communicate. > > And, of course, sometimes I could benefit from things that you know. > How can we gather this sort of information to make it more useful to > everyone? > > Mark. > > -- > Mark A. Hershberger > NicheWork LLC > 717-271-1084 > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 20:15:08 +0900 (JST) > From: Dmitrii Kouznetsov <[email protected]> > To: MediaWiki announcements and site admin list > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [MediaWiki-l] [mwstake] What should we focus on? > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" > > Dear Mark. I type my opinion on your request. > > 1. About me. I handle the mizugadro.mydns.jp/t > It seems to work well during almost two years. > It is not perfect: > Sometimes, the text disappears after the closing references; > Sometimes the tumbnail for a picture fails; > I could not make work the "short name" service, > Include of PDF files hapened to be different from that for other > files and difficult to handle; > Construction and customing of the skins also happened to be difficult; > I could not handle the antispam service (I locked the self-authorization), > I doubt, if they can be reproduced by colleagues; so, I do not report them. > In general, I am glad, that the configuration I could arrange with your help > works > and I am glad, that I can use it without to enter again into details > of php, html, mysql and other things. > > >From above, you see, my skills in wiki are poor. I try to be just user. > But for the case, if the point of view of a diletant helps you, > I type some comments below. > > 2. Most important extensions: > Mathjax, > Poem (I use it to include the codes into the wiki-text) > Service for references, > Service for uploading umages > (I do not remember the names of these extensions). > > I should appreciate the extension to provide the > "short name", if it will be installed by itself, authomatically, > just answering "yes" at the installing. > At least two years ago, the handling requested a lot knowledge. > > Few years ago, for me, it was a shoke, when first time I realized, that > the most of services, installed and configured at the widely known vikis > (wikipedia, citizendium, etc) are not supported by default. > I believed them to be parts of the core; then it happened that they are > only extensions, and each of them requires some handling at the > installation. > > The same refers to caching. I do not undertand, why is it so > difficlut, that each time it should be handled manually. > > 2. Independence. > Often, trying to improve some thing in the set-up, > I saw, that I destroy some other thing. > I know, how difficul is to provide the independence, > but it is very important. > You cannot underestimate the stupidity of the beginner, > who deals with a big large package, knowing close to nothing about > it, with the naive hope, that the professionals did their job, and > the rest is just to plug and to use. > > 3. Compatibility. > Often the symbols, formatting, formulas, that appear fine at one computer, > look ugly at another computer. I do not know, if anything can be done > about this. > > 4. Descriptions. When I begun to deal with mediawiki, my first impression > was, that the descriptions are written in some strange, unknown to me > language, slightly similar to English. > It may have sense to count, how many new terms shoud the beginner learn, > in order to understand the description. > > 5. About errors. The beginner does not know the origin of the errors: > is it a defect of the internet service, > or some fault in the setting of the router, or that of a server, > or something is wrong with mysql, or with some configuration files, > it is due to a mediawiki bug. > The first impression is "Everything was working, and then - nothing". > I think, these instructions should begin with very beginning: > A. Check that your computer is connected to the electric plug. > B. Check that your monitor, keyboard and mouse are connected to the > computer. > C. Check that your compiter is "on" (type "help" in the command line.) > D. Check, that ... – and so on. > I exaggerate a bit, but, I hope, you understand this point. > > 6. Instructions. Usually, the most difficult for the beginner is > to understand, what tools are necessary for his/her goals. > In the internet, there is tradition, that every package > clams, that namely it can satisfy the needs of the user. > Usually, the package tries to form these needs, instead. > I think, mediawiki could be good exception. > Over-vice, you get questions like > "What scissors are better to hummer this screw into a wall?" > Sometimes, the user does not know even the generic names of the tools > necessary. > > 7. Options and setting. > The configuration files seem to be designed, optimized for the needs of > the authors of the software, not for the needs of the users. > Usually, the arbitrary variation of a parameter leads to some non-working > configuration. I do not know, how to organize it better; may be, my needs > are different from those of the most of users. But still, you may imagine > some diletant, who tries various options in order to get the result by > the method of probes and errors.. So, keep in mund the question: > What will be, if some stupid admin changes this option? > I see, this had improved since previous versions of mediawiki, > but I think, it still can be improoved. > > All the above are just my personal impressions. > Sorry, if I misunderstand the request below. > > ================================ > On Mon, 26 Jan 2015, Mark A. Hershberger wrote: > > > > > At the developer summit just now, we've decided to use the tag #mwstake > > (for twitter, etc) or the subject line prefix (like I've done here) for > > communication on mediawiki-l for the MW stakeholders group. > > > > The first item we'd like to discuss with MediaWiki users is what should > > we actually focus on? > > > > If you use MediaWiki for your own wiki, what sort of things do you think > > need more attention? How can we help you find out about things you need > > to know to run your wiki? > > > > For example, someone in this meeting said that they ran from git master > > because they need to run Visual Editor. I told him that I was > > successfully using VE on MW 1.24. > > > > This is the sort of information that would be useful for him, of course, > > but we need to figure out what other things we need to communicate. > > > > And, of course, sometimes I could benefit from things that you know. > > How can we gather this sort of information to make it more useful to > > everyone? > > > > Mark. > > > > -- > > Mark A. Hershberger > > NicheWork LLC > > 717-271-1084 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > MediaWiki-l mailing list > > To unsubscribe, go to: > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > MediaWiki-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l > > > End of MediaWiki-l Digest, Vol 136, Issue 24 > ******************************************** _______________________________________________ MediaWiki-l mailing list To unsubscribe, go to: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l
