On Mon, 2010-05-24 at 08:48 +0300, Quim Gil wrote: > I also wonder what is the real status of this community support, and the > willingness of the current Hildon and/or GTK+ maintainers and developers > to bring Hildon and Hildon based applications to the MeeGo community > repositories.
Yea, that would be interesting. I don't know it either, but I expect it to be basically non-existent and probably for a good reason. I don't think it makes sense to work at Harmattan's Hildon before we know how the Harmattan UI will look and (more important) work. That's probably not really a technical problem, but more a motivational problem. No one wants to work on something before he can estimate the success of his effort and it might be that integrating Hildon with the Harmattan UI is just not feasible. What I think will happen is this: At some point people with big Maemo5/Hildon applications will get a Harmattan device or SDK and then they will try to get their applications running. Therefore they will compile a recent version of GTk, try to apply Hildon patches, etc. At that point we will see whether or not it is feasible to bring Hildon to Harmattan. Well, at least if it is a _real_ community effort. If however Nokia did sponsor some Gtk developers and provided them with some Harmattan UI material it might look differently. > There has been some discussion about this at GNOME's mobile-devel-list > but honestly I had expected a more concrete or articulated answer by > now. See the whole "What would you do to encourage application > developers on GNOME Mobile?" discussion starting at > http://mail.gnome.org/archives/mobile-devel-list/2010-April/msg00003.html > and even my own post back in February that got basically no traction > from anybody involved in GTK+ development - > http://mail.gnome.org/archives/mobile-devel-list/2010-February/msg00010.html It would have been nice to inform people on the maemo-devel list about those posts. > Nokia gave a substantial fund to the GNOME Foundation with the main goal > of promoting GTK+ based applications for Maemo 5 and also to help > building a future path for them in future releases - now in practice > MeeGo Handset UX releases. There is still not a concrete plan for that > budget that I know, which is not, er, optimal considering how fast time > passes both for Maemo 5 and MeeGo. If we had been informed, maybe we could have made some suggestions. But yea, if it's still not decided what should happen with that money it is a real shame. > Conclusion: if you think that we as Nokia still could to do something > else to ease the transition of Hildon based applications to MeeGo please > let me know. That might now be the job of the Gnome Foundation and not of Nokia. But this is what I think should happen. 1.) Provide people with some time and/or money to bring all Gtk changes that are needed for Hildon upstream into the real Gtk. 2.) Let them make sure that the current Maemo5-Hildon compiles against that new Gtk. 3.) Give them insight into the Harmattan UI spec, to make it possible to adapt the look and feel. Personally, I really really want to have Hildon on MeeGo. Not because I think it's the future or that it is superior to Qt. No, simply because it would be so frustrating to see my volunteering work of over a year go into oblivion. If I had the time (3-4 month full time), I would rewrite my application using Qt. Unfortunately this is completely unrealistic. Still hoping for Hildon on Meego! Conny _______________________________________________ MeeGo-dev mailing list [email protected] http://lists.meego.com/listinfo/meego-dev
