On Thu, 08 Jul 2010 17:43:49 -0300 Luis Listas <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > On Thu, 08 Jul 2010 19:29:42 +0200 > > Thiago Macieira<[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >> > On Thursday 8. July 2010 18.37.54 Bernd Stramm wrote: > >> > >>> > > On Thu, 08 Jul 2010 18:21:24 +0200 > >>> > > > >>> > > Yves-Alexis Perez<[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>>> > > > On 08/07/2010 18:18, Bernd Stramm wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> > > > > Where it does come in is that private users today > >>>>> > > > > cannot be reached by IPv4 unless they go through > >>>>> > > > > servers. This is different with IPv6, at least at > >>>>> > > > > the moment. > >>>>> > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > So what you want is something like link-local messaging > >>>> > > > at a global scale? > >>>> > >>> > > > >>> > > Right, I want normal global IP addresses as originally > >>> > > intended. The NAT stuff was added later because of lack of > >>> > > IPv4 address space. > >>> > > This works today if you have IPv6. > >>> > >> > > >> > IPv6 will not remove firewalls. People will have unique > >> > addresses, but reachability is not a guarantee. > >> > > >> > > Right, but it depends on who controls the firewall. Right now that > > is lumped together with the address translation, done by the ISP. > > Most people don't know that these are separate issues. When they > > have a unique address it becomes obvious. > > > > > > > > Many kudos for trying to reclaim the Internet spirit! It reminds me > of the application called SpeakFreely, which was discontinued and > later turned into a open source project. > > Here is the most important part of John's last words on that > (emphasis mine), on January 15th, 2004: > > http://www.fourmilab.ch/speakfree/unix/ > > (...) > A user behind a NAT box is no longer a peer to other sites on the > Internet. Since the user no longer has an externally visible > Internet Protocol (IP) address (fixed or variable), there is no > way (in the general case--there may be "workarounds" for specific NAT > boxes, but they're basically exploiting bugs which will probably > eventually be fixed) for sites to open connections or address > packets to his machine. *The user is demoted to acting exclusively > as a client*. While the user can contact and freely exchange > packets with sites not behind NAT boxes, he cannot be reached by > connections which originate at other sites. In economic terms, the > NATted *user has become a consumer* of services provided by a > *higher-ranking class of sites, producers or publishers*, not > subject to NAT. > (...) > > > Again, thanks for the effort. > > What are the requirements to currently use Ipv6? Both my OS and my > router are capable. > Some ISPs provide it. There are also a handful of organizations that provide tunnel brokers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_IPv6_tunnel_brokers > Luis > -- Bernd Stramm <[email protected]> _______________________________________________ MeeGo-dev mailing list [email protected] http://lists.meego.com/listinfo/meego-dev
