On Sun Apr 3 2011 01:15:18 AM CEST, Jeremiah Foster <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 2, 2011 at 5:23 PM, Foster, Dawn M <[email protected]> > wrote: > > On Apr 2, 2011, at 6:53 AM, Jeremiah Foster wrote: > > > > > On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 8:31 PM, Foster, Dawn M > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I wanted to let everyone know that we have a new time for our > > > > Technical Steering Group meetings. While the 20:00 UTC meetings > > > > were convenient for the Americas and Europe, it was very difficult > > > > for people in Asia to participate. > > > > > > Can you explain the decision making process behind this decision? > > > > Here's the logic ... > > > > Needless to say, scheduling global meetings is challenging, > > Understood. > > > I sat down with a spreadsheet marked with times for US west coast, > > western Europe and eastern Asia, which seems to be where most > > of the people working on MeeGo are located, > > By what measure? Most of the people on the mailing lists are from > Europe and US. Are we talking corporate head counts or developer > participation? > > > Clearly, our previous TSG meeting time, 20:00 UTC, Noon Pacific > > and 2:00 / 3:00 am in eastern Asia was making it nearly impossible > > for people from Asia to attend, and the TSG had been receiving > > requests to move the meeting to a time that was more Asia-friendly. > > But wouldn't these requests show up on the mailing list? I went > through the MeeGo community list and I saw very few participants from > Asia at all. And for 2011 I saw not one single request to change the > time of the TSG meeting. If the TSG is receiving these requests, from > whom are they coming and how? > > > I see this not as something that gets decided once and never > > changed. I expect these meetings to move around in time to > > share the burden of early / late meetings and to adapt to locations > > where we have people working on MeeGo. > > I totally agree. But there has to be consultation with those who will > actually attend the meetings. > > > > Naturally MeeGo needs to have times that are friendly to all regions > > > but this decision seems to have been made without any consultation > > > whatsoever with MeeGo developers. > > > > > > > In all fairness, I did post this new time to the mailing lists almost 2 > > weeks in advance of the first meeting to give people time to ask > > questions or voice objections. If you have a better time that works > > for more people than the current time, I encourage you to propose it. > > I propose we leave the time as it is until there is more open > discussion about when these meetings should occur. I don't see a > consensus forming around the time yet. > > Do those who plan to attend the TSG have opinions on when the meeting > should be held? While it is my belief that the time schedules of the TSG meeting is up to the members of the TSG to decide - as the presenters come to them, not reverse(Dawn has been acting as 'secretary' for the meetings), I'd like to offer positive feedback to Dawn's proposal. Usually when people agree with the time they don't protest. Rotating the meeting from noon pacific, 10pm finland, 3am Asia to 11pm pacific, 9am finland, 2pm(?) asia seems like a fair time. If there is a topic you're especially passionate about, it's possible to post comments on mailing list/have someone be your proxy or show up - 3am in Asia made this impossible for many to show up. Given we have two new players (at least) such as China Mobile and LGE in MeeGo, it is fair to schedule the meetings to allow them to participate properly. For those thinking they won't show up anyway, at least LGE guys (plus handset WG member) already hang out in the MeeGo IRC channels, so not a big leap to join another IRC channel. BR, Carsten Munk > > Regards, > > Jeremiah > _______________________________________________ > MeeGo-dev mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.meego.com/listinfo/meego-dev > http://wiki.meego.com/Mailing_list_guidelines _______________________________________________ MeeGo-dev mailing list [email protected] http://lists.meego.com/listinfo/meego-dev http://wiki.meego.com/Mailing_list_guidelines
