I am *not* agaisnt leaving Twitter. For over a years now, the only time I ever hear about Twitter and its' owner is via XSF. I cannot read any content on that platform either. I have no "social media" accounts anywhere, whatsoever. Frankly, I don't care. Life has been much more peaceful this way.
> https://aftermath.site/god-is-a-geek-calvin-robinson-nazi-salute-elon-musk > > Which says how the entire writing team of a news site quit their job because > the owner did also a nazi salute on national television. And reflect why > don't we follow the same example and stop associating with platforms and > people who are fine with nazis. I see no revelance to XMPP and the XSF. > Correct me if I am wrong, but the platforms you mention: > > - Do not have an owner that is a nazi and does nazi salutes on national > television > Has Elon Musk proven to be a nazi? Because of your email, I went to read: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk_salute_controversy What a waste of time. > - Have adequate moderation so that conspiracy theories, racism and > anti-semetism don't spread. > Yes we have banning mechanism and infrastructure that has been working fine when needed on the federated network. > Let me also point out (I become a broken record a bit I know) that our CoC > is explicitly against racism and also implicitly against transphobia that > Twitter doesn't seem to care about > https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0458.html#pick-your-words Where does it say using Twitter has the same meaning as being a racist? Are the news and the "social media" platforms saying so? I don't read news very much lately. Again, frankly, I don't care. Life has been much more peaceful this way. > So this argument sounds to me like it misses the point of why people want to > leave Twiiter. > No, I did not miss the point. You did. ————————————— Trần H. Trung ————————————————— https://trung.fun mailto:[email protected] xmpp:trầ[email protected] ——————————————————————————— PGP: 272B C112 E0C1 CA52 2987 8E06 4C2E 262F 6514 7810 ——————————————————————————————————————————————————————— On 25/02/12 02:27pm, MSavoritias wrote: > Sorry seems i sent this privately instead of list for some reason. I > apologize. > > Correct me if I am wrong, but the platforms you mention: > > - Do not have an owner that is a nazi and does nazi salutes on national > television > > - Have adequate moderation so that conspiracy theories, racism and > anti-semetism don't spread. > > So this argument sounds to me like it misses the point of why people want to > leave Twiiter. > > I urge Trung, Ralph, you and the whole XSF membership really to think on > that and also read > > https://aftermath.site/god-is-a-geek-calvin-robinson-nazi-salute-elon-musk > > Which says how the entire writing team of a news site quit their job because > the owner did also a nazi salute on national television. And reflect why > don't we follow the same example and stop associating with platforms and > people who are fine with nazis. > > Let me also point out (I become a broken record a bit I know) that our CoC > is explicitly against racism and also implicitly against transphobia that > Twitter doesn't seem to care about > https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0458.html#pick-your-words > > So I also urge the XMPP membership to consider (and speak up please :) ) > about following our own CoC and principles. > > MSavoritias > > E.M. kirjoitti 10.2.2025 klo 22.35: > > Hello all, > > > > Thank ypu for the input. I have been reading the entire discussion and > > summarized as: > > > > * a majority in this thread advocates to leave the platform for multiple > > reasons > > * we should not delete the account due to control and archive > > > > I would like to add that if we leave the platform for political reasons, we > > will in my opinion also need to abandon the use of for example LinkedIn, > > Google Summer of Code, GitHub and YouTube. I think such a political > > position does also not allow other certain activities. > > > > That is not a good step in my opinion. > > > > In the end I will not take the decision here and make this to at least > > board or a member vote. > > > > Last but not least I also critizise the discussion and tone around this > > topic. This got worse in recent years and I am very sick of many people not > > being able to reflect their own behavior, their own media consumption while > > blaming others where they can. > > > > Cheers, > > Eddie > > > > 5 feb 2025 14:16:15 Ralph Meijer<[email protected]>: > > > > > On 03/02/2025 17.33, Jonas Schäfer wrote: > > > > On Samstag, 25. Januar 2025 22:07:16 MEZ Goffi wrote: > > > > > I'm not even in favor of maintaining an account as the archive can't > > > > > be > > > > > consulted without registration. Instead, any tool to dump the archive > > > > > should > > > > > be used, and we could display it anywhere. > > > > But should we keep it in order to avoid someone else registering the > > > > same name > > > > and use it for bad purposes? > > > > > > > > I am sure we can't control all places where this is linked as the XSF's > > > > Twitter account. > > > Yes. > > > > > > In my opinion, removing past posts from X (whether we keep the account or > > > not to prevent squatting) does not serve a clear purpose. Those who do > > > not want to be there will not look there. I appreciate that people in our > > > community may have stopped using X for whatever reason. Individual posts > > > remain available without logging in, but I agree that not being able to > > > see all of our posts in one view is regrettable. > > > > > > However, I personally remain a user of X as one of many sources of > > > information and a way to communicate with other users (still) there. > > > Removing past information there (I guess for any account), including its > > > original context and responses, is a significant loss to me. I am sure I > > > am not alone in this. > > > > > > I have been surprised and disappointed by the labeling of people using > > > certain social networks in this thread. Everybody is entitled to their > > > own opinion, but that does not mean that others have to agree. If we want > > > to be a truly open organization, this has to include difference of > > > opinion and choice. > > > > > > Separate from my personal use of X or my private (!) opinion on > > > particular individuals, I do not think the XSF should take a stance in > > > that debate. Staying there does not mean that the XSF, its members, or > > > the XMPP community in general, somehow validates other people's > > > (mis)behavior there. It is not up to the XSF to arbitrate which platforms > > > are "ok" and which are not. > > > > > > As I said before, if there is utility in letting people in other circles > > > (than those who want nothing to do with X) know about what we do, then we > > > should continue to post on X (too). I personally think there is. If none > > > of the current individual Comms team members want to be part of that, we > > > can figure that out separately. This might also be a good time to point > > > out that we have not posted to X since 9 November 2024. > > > > > > Just like last week, I will happily discuss my personal opinions over a > > > beverage. Or something else entirely. > > > > > > -- > > > ralphm
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