-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Ahmed,
Well, to end-users (either residential or business users). Not at an ISP-ISP level. - -gaurab On 6/11/11 7:27 AM, Ahmed Abu-Abed wrote: > Hi Gaurab, > > By v6 to end-users, do you mean residential users ? > > Regards, > -Ahmed > > > > *From:* Gaurab Raj Upadhaya <mailto:[email protected]> > *Sent:* Saturday, June 11, 2011 8:21 AM > *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [menog] Rapid IPv6 deployment for World IPv6 Day > > Hi Ahmed, others, > > Do we have any ISPs/ Carriers in the ME region that provide v6 to > end-users (either as Tunnels, or native ). > > thanks > -gaurab > > > On 6/9/11 1:41 PM, Ahmed Abu-Abed wrote: >> My comments below with a minor correction in the 1st comment. > >> -Ahmed > > >> *From:* Brian Candler <mailto:[email protected]> >> *Sent:* Thursday, June 09, 2011 12:54 PM >> *To:* Ahmed Abu-Abed <mailto:[email protected]> >> *Cc:* 'menog@menog <mailto:'menog@menog>. net' <mailto:'menog@menog. net'> >> *Subject:* Re: [menog] Rapid IPv6 deployment for World IPv6 Day > >> On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 10:51:26AM +0300, Ahmed Abu-Abed wrote: >>> >> Until the whole internet AND web content AND networks AND >>> applications move to IPv6 ONLY then there will be a need for > tunneling. >>> Dual-stacking is needed but it doesn't solve the IPv4 depletion issue, > >> But client-side tunnelling relies on having an IPv4 address too, so it >> doesn't solve depletion. >> />> It may not solve depletion but tunneling accelerates IPv6 >> adoption, while "carrier grade" tunnels present a more stable approach >> than multi-level NATs. Future networks will likely be IPv6-only except >> for the dual-stack hosts that tunnel IPv4-in-IPv6 , a reverse of today's >> tunnels. Refer to the DS-Lite standards among others, and this approach >> is part of the 3GPP/LTE standards for mobile networks migration to IPv6./ >> // >> Estimates I've seen so far from IPv6 day suggest that although traffic was >> up, V6 accounted for between 0.02% and 0.3% of total traffic. Of > that, 90% >> was tunnelled (i.e. only 10% native). So basically: (1) there is no >> signficiant IPv6 Internet today, and (2) if you want to join what > there is, >> you do indeed probably have to tunnel. >> />> Tunnels solve the chicken and egg problem, it allows IPv6 content to >> be accessible until IPv6 gains a wider installed base which may take >> years. During the same time the burden of running IPv4 with no public >> addresses will grow. Both RIPE NCC and ARIN have publicly endorsed >> tunneling to speed up IPv6 deployment./ > >> That doesn't mean that installing a tunnel client is a good idea for > anyone >> except network specialists who know what they're doing. >> />> Protocols that automate the setup of carrier grade tunnels, such as >> TSP, make installing tunnels a plug and play affair. Refer to my >> original email and try it to see for yourself. For zero user >> intervention needs, there are CPE IPv6 Adapters that plug in an ethernet >> port on an IPv4 home router and automatically setup IPv6-in-IPv4 tunnels >> (see the ARIN Wiki on IPv6 CPEs). All these are carrier grade solutions >> and have been deployed by tier-1 carriers./ > >> If random end-users start installing this stuff without understanding it, >> then (a) they are probably opening up security holes into their > network, and >> (b) they may impede a later smooth rollout of native v6. >> />> Whether users dual-stack or tunnel to IPv6 the security requirements >> are mostly the same. Waiting for end-to-end dual-stack to be deployed >> all the way to the home CPE to complete is a multi year project. And I >> don't see IPv6-in-IPv4 tunnels impeding rollout of native IPv6 if the >> tunnels clients AND servers are fully under control of the ISP and part >> of their network. The rule here is for ISPs to avoid using Teredo, 6to4 >> and ISATAP tunnels which, unfortunately, are everywhere./ > > > > >> _______________________________________________ >> Menog mailing list >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> http://lists.menog.net/mailman/listinfo/menog > > _______________________________________________ Menog mailing list [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> http://lists.menog.net/mailman/listinfo/menog - -- http://www.gaurab.org.np/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.16 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk3zEUoACgkQSo7fU26F3X2MvQCdF2BPJIrD7OlYKT6WVedhoWcp MdYAn1lR8LiWzArp0QsOeFddGrDJ/on1 =wRFh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Menog mailing list [email protected] http://lists.menog.net/mailman/listinfo/menog
