I agree with Kais that Sahara Net has shown clear leadership in the IPv6 field in the Gulf ISP market
BTW, to avoid replacing existing IPv4 CPEs there are "IPV6 Adapters" that plug into existing IPv4 CPEs (ADSL modems, home routers, etc) to enable IPv6 at the home from the ISPs own IPv6 reserved prefix See the ARIN IPv6 CPE information page under Adapters , http://www.getipv6.info/index.php/Broadband_CPE Ahmed From: Kais Al-Essa Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 10:23 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [menog] Rapid IPv6 deployment for World IPv6 Day Dears, Sahara Net is the 1st ISP in Saudi Arabia and the Gulf region to provide a dual stacked ISP service on its Core. A few months back we launched a project to connect selected Business clients with dual stack. This has succeeded so far but the demand is a bit lower than expectations. We are now ready to provide dual stack to end users (residential) but lack two things: 1. User demand: Users simply don't see the benefits for this yet! 2. CPE availability: Still many CPEs that are popular in the region are not IPv6/dual stack ready! Regards.. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- إن هذا البريد الإلكتروني المرسل من قبل صحارى نت يحتوي على محتويات سرية مرسلة إلى جهة/ متلقٍ مقصود. إذا لم تكن أنت المتلقي المقصود، فإن هذا البريد الإلكتروني قد وصلك عن طريق الخطأ، لذا فإنه يمنع منعا باتا أي استخدام أو إعادة إرسال أو نشر أو طباعة أونسخ كل أو جزء من هذا البريد الإلكتروني بأي شكل من الأشكال. وفي حالة تلقيكم هذا البريد الإلكتروني عن طريق الخطأ، فإننا نرجو التكرم بالرد على المرسل وإخطاره بهذا الخطأ، ومن ثم الإسراع بحذف هذا البريد الإلكتروني من الأجهزة والأنظمة الخاصة بكم. وعلى الرغم من أن هذا البريد الإلكتروني تم فحصه وتمحيصه بحثا عن الفيروسات، إلا أن صحارى نت لا تتحمل أي مسؤولية عن أية فيروسات قد تصيب أجهزتكم وأنظمتكم، بل إن التأكد من حماية أجهزتكم وأنظمتكم هو محض مسؤوليتكم. This is an email from Sahara Net. Its contents are confidential to the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. It may not be disclosed to or used by anyone other than its intended recipient, nor may it be copied in any way. If received in error please email a reply to the sender, then delete it from your system. Although this e-mail has been scanned for viruses, Sahara Net cannot accept any responsibility for viruses and it is your responsibility to scan any attachments. On 6/13/2011 9:57 AM, Ahmed Abu-Abed wrote: Hi Gaurab, I know that many regional ISPs started the effort towards dual-stacking their core, and a few have reached this target, but I am yet to see an advertised IPv6 access service to residential users. Regards, -Ahmed From: Gaurab Raj Upadhaya Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2011 9:55 AM To: Ahmed Abu-Abed Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: [menog] Rapid IPv6 deployment for World IPv6 Day -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Ahmed, Well, to end-users (either residential or business users). Not at an ISP-ISP level. - -gaurab On 6/11/11 7:27 AM, Ahmed Abu-Abed wrote: > Hi Gaurab, > > By v6 to end-users, do you mean residential users ? > > Regards, > -Ahmed > > > > *From:* Gaurab Raj Upadhaya <mailto:[email protected]> > *Sent:* Saturday, June 11, 2011 8:21 AM > *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [menog] Rapid IPv6 deployment for World IPv6 Day > > Hi Ahmed, others, > > Do we have any ISPs/ Carriers in the ME region that provide v6 to > end-users (either as Tunnels, or native ). > > thanks > -gaurab > > > On 6/9/11 1:41 PM, Ahmed Abu-Abed wrote: >> My comments below with a minor correction in the 1st comment. > >> -Ahmed > > >> *From:* Brian Candler <mailto:[email protected]> >> *Sent:* Thursday, June 09, 2011 12:54 PM >> *To:* Ahmed Abu-Abed <mailto:[email protected]> >> *Cc:* 'menog@menog <mailto:'menog@menog>. net' <mailto:'menog@menog. net'> >> *Subject:* Re: [menog] Rapid IPv6 deployment for World IPv6 Day > >> On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 10:51:26AM +0300, Ahmed Abu-Abed wrote: >>> >> Until the whole internet AND web content AND networks AND >>> applications move to IPv6 ONLY then there will be a need for > tunneling. >>> Dual-stacking is needed but it doesn't solve the IPv4 depletion issue, > >> But client-side tunnelling relies on having an IPv4 address too, so it >> doesn't solve depletion. >> />> It may not solve depletion but tunneling accelerates IPv6 >> adoption, while "carrier grade" tunnels present a more stable approach >> than multi-level NATs. Future networks will likely be IPv6-only except >> for the dual-stack hosts that tunnel IPv4-in-IPv6 , a reverse of today's >> tunnels. Refer to the DS-Lite standards among others, and this approach >> is part of the 3GPP/LTE standards for mobile networks migration to IPv6./ >> // >> Estimates I've seen so far from IPv6 day suggest that although traffic was >> up, V6 accounted for between 0.02% and 0.3% of total traffic. Of > that, 90% >> was tunnelled (i.e. only 10% native). So basically: (1) there is no >> signficiant IPv6 Internet today, and (2) if you want to join what > there is, >> you do indeed probably have to tunnel. >> />> Tunnels solve the chicken and egg problem, it allows IPv6 content to >> be accessible until IPv6 gains a wider installed base which may take >> years. During the same time the burden of running IPv4 with no public >> addresses will grow. Both RIPE NCC and ARIN have publicly endorsed >> tunneling to speed up IPv6 deployment./ > >> That doesn't mean that installing a tunnel client is a good idea for > anyone >> except network specialists who know what they're doing. >> />> Protocols that automate the setup of carrier grade tunnels, such as >> TSP, make installing tunnels a plug and play affair. Refer to my >> original email and try it to see for yourself. For zero user >> intervention needs, there are CPE IPv6 Adapters that plug in an ethernet >> port on an IPv4 home router and automatically setup IPv6-in-IPv4 tunnels >> (see the ARIN Wiki on IPv6 CPEs). All these are carrier grade solutions >> and have been deployed by tier-1 carriers./ > >> If random end-users start installing this stuff without understanding it, >> then (a) they are probably opening up security holes into their > network, and >> (b) they may impede a later smooth rollout of native v6. >> />> Whether users dual-stack or tunnel to IPv6 the security requirements >> are mostly the same. Waiting for end-to-end dual-stack to be deployed >> all the way to the home CPE to complete is a multi year project. And I >> don't see IPv6-in-IPv4 tunnels impeding rollout of native IPv6 if the >> tunnels clients AND servers are fully under control of the ISP and part >> of their network. The rule here is for ISPs to avoid using Teredo, 6to4 >> and ISATAP tunnels which, unfortunately, are everywhere./ > > > > >> _______________________________________________ >> Menog mailing list >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> http://lists.menog.net/mailman/listinfo/menog > > _______________________________________________ Menog mailing list [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> http://lists.menog.net/mailman/listinfo/menog - -- http://www.gaurab.org.np/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.16 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk3zEUoACgkQSo7fU26F3X2MvQCdF2BPJIrD7OlYKT6WVedhoWcp MdYAn1lR8LiWzArp0QsOeFddGrDJ/on1 =wRFh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Menog mailing list [email protected] http://lists.menog.net/mailman/listinfo/menog -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Menog mailing list [email protected] http://lists.menog.net/mailman/listinfo/menog
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