True, but it's only very early days, too early for one to come to such
conclusive judgements, evolution/progress will have to be continually
monitored, & very carefully.
On 14/03/13 2:01 AM, Hillel Lubman wrote:
I'm not sure what is the point. So far Mir didn't show any benefits
over Wayland. And all major projects and distros didn't show any
interest in it, so it will remain Canonical's internal tool the way I
see it. If you benefit shared effort - Wayland should be preferable.
Regards,
Hillel.
On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 6:02 AM, Nathan <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Well, I hope someone comes along & actively maintains a Mir-based
MeR distro, just so the wider community has it "bets hedged"
so-to-speak.
I fear though that this will never happen, or too little too
late... :-(
On 13/03/13 5:23 PM, Carsten Munk wrote:
2013/3/12 Nathan <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>:
Anyone else on all this?
Surely MeR team has been seriously assessing it & not
immediately dismissing
on ideological grounds?
(stuff around governance isn't even completely defined yet
anyway)
The important thing to remember is that Mer isn't a
one-size-fits-all.
Before Wayland+Qt5 was integrated, it was successfully maintained
outside the Core even if it affects core components. Mer's
meant to be
modified by vendors to fit what they need to do. Busybox
instead of
Coreutils, Qt5 instead of Qt4, Mir instead of Wayland.
Since there's been no contribution of Mir in any kind of
working form,
it's hard to properly evaluate consequences of it being there.
That said, from what I recall, the license is GPLv3 and the
general
rule is that build-time, GPLv3 is OK, it being needed for a sane
run-time experience of Mer itself is not.
Like with the coreutils discussions, if you want to do something
different, different license policies, you're free to do your own
build of Mer and take advantage of the 99% other components
you're not
modifying. Mer's about sharing effort and load of maintaining a
complex set of interlinked components so you (as a vendor) can
easily
take it and build products on top.
BR
Carsten Munk
On 12/03/13 3:51 AM, Hillel Lubman wrote:
I don't consider their move with Mir good, but if they
attempt to make the
drivers sharable with Wayland and actually push Nvidia and
others to produce
these drives - it will be a positive outcome.
Regards,
Hillel.
On 12/03/13 3:17 AM, Hillel Lubman wrote:
This looks like a positive development:
https://plus.google.com/116812394236590806058/posts/SwC1CheXX65
Hopefully we'll contribute back not just an
awesome display server in
the
form of Mir and an awesome desktop environment in
the form of Unity, but
also low-level improvements that can be used by
Wayland compositors. I'm
particularly excited about our engagements with
NVIDIA and AMD; although
it's early days, I'm hopeful we can get a solution
for “but what about
proprietary drivers?” not just for Mir, but for
everyone.
If that will be true, things can turn out good for
Wayland as well.
Regards,
Hillel.
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 12:30 PM, Nathan
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
So no one else concerned about this? Where do you
think the community can
go from here?
Can Sailfish Alliance (or someone else) really
beat Canonical to the
punch w/a Wayland based smartphone (or similar
form-factor) next yr?*
I have my worries/concerns/doubts....
*And with a Wayland implementation that's fully
competitive with Mir?
On 8/03/13 8:22 AM, Nathan wrote:
Hey, I'd love to know what folks here think about
this, got some thoughts
on the matter?
Phoronix has been covering it all heavily, a
recent article by them:
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTMyMDk
On 6/03/13 4:34 AM, Jukka Eklund wrote:
Hi,
I think you might catch Mer folks better via Mer
mailing list.
-Jukka
On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 7:43 PM, Nathan
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
So no thoughts on this from MeR/Nemo/Sailfish
folk? Would really love to
hear them...
On 5/03/13 4:52 AM, Nathan wrote:
This is pretty big:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MirSpec
I thought Canonical were "basically" just
using tweaked Cyanogenmod +
libhybris + a QML shell on top
(boring/non-innovative).
But it appears they're moving more & more
towards their own complete OS
stack (much more akin to Sailfish)...
I really hope they intend to work with
Wayland/Weston, & perhaps even
merge (where practical) efforts
longer-term into one truly F/OSS project.
But I have my doubts/concerns... If they
do, MeR/Nemo/Sailfish could
stand to benefit a lot, & conversely so
could Canonical.
Cheers,
Nath
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