On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 01:37:08PM -0400, Paul Dlug wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 3:41 PM, Gary Yngve <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Merb currently requires use of extlib.  Unfortunately, many other
> > libraries depend on active_support because of the rails-centric ruby
> > world, so it becomes a burden on the merbist to port libraries over
> > just to get rid of the active_support dependency.  Maybe it's time for
> > Merb to be "support-agnostic" and allow for active_support or extlib,
> > as DataMapper has done?  (I'm ignorant to if this is happening in the
> > 1.2 branch)
> 
> I'm facing the same issue, so far I've been able to patch some
> libraries to be more restrictive in their use of AS so as not to stomp
> on extlib but this is short term only. As much as I think AS is
> bloated and awful I think you may be correct that it's time to
> consider a hybrid or just a switch to it. It does look like recent
> cleanups have made it easier to be selective in the AS pieces you use
> ("require 'active_support/all'" is evil).

Same here :\

ActiveSupport's pervasiveness in gems is really getting to be
bothersome. Especially for libs that are only using AS for one or two
things like basic string manipulation.

> Does anyone have an estimate on what it would take to do a hybrid vs.
> just switching to AS? Any reason to keep extlib around if merb is the
> primary (or only) user? I'd be happy to pitch in with this effort.

I started looking into it. It is getting more and more necessary to make
the switch to AS (IMHO, at least). While it is probably doable, merb is
so intertwined with extlib that it makes switching pretty annoying.

I'll be happy to help out as well. Not sure where to start exactly. I
guess removing the dependency for extlib and working from there? 

In any event, this is a +1 for making the switch, or as Gary mentioned
allowing a choice like DM. It would be nice if PK & co. could pipe in
with whether this is realistic or not or if it is already on the agenda.

> --Paul
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