lincoln?  should have killed himself!  barring that, he should have done
nothing regarding the confederate states of america.

you, lincoln and dubya:  3 peas, 1 pod.

On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 10:40 PM, Hendrik & Fay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> I take you are referring to me as being the Australian revisionist?
> I am not killing anyone, I am stating my view point and allowing everyone
> else to state theirs.
> Further you have not given any logical arguments as to how Lincoln should
> have proceeded. So how can I kill anything that you have written?
> Far as I am concerned Lincoln was caught between a rock and a hard place.
>
> So if Iran, North Korea and others have a policy of developing nuclear
> weapons they should (according to the average American) be able to do this?
> I am not even going to mention the once former sovereign nations of Iraq
> and Afghanistan.
>
> The argument that slavery would have naturally stopped because of
> mechanization is fanciful at best. They still need people to operate
> machines and work in factories and clean houses and cook food and all the
> other jobs that require labor. As a side note, 20 years ago I had a holiday
> job chipping cotton, with a hoe walking up and down cotton rows getting rid
> of weeds. I think now they have selective herbicides to do this but there is
> still a truck load of work to do on a farm.
>
> There a million what if the south has gone it alone, however one to ponder
> is WW2 in which the south may well have sided with the Axis, thus making
> things very interesting. The US of A may well not have developed an A bomb,
> whereas the USSR might have, giving us a very interesting (and perhaps
> short) cold war.
>
> Now we can all sit back and ponder the world we have today, it might not be
> perfect but it could be a hell of a lot worse.
>
> Hendrik
> the revisionist
>
>
> Gary Hurst wrote:
>
>> he's some kind of australian revisionist who believe in just killing
>> everyone who disagrees with him.  i didn't know that such people still
>> existed.  frightening.
>>
>> if a sovereign nation has policies that you don't agree with, just burn
>> and
>> kill them until they comply.  maybe that is how they do it in sydney and
>> tel
>> aviv, but i'd like to think the average american finds this outlook as
>> shocking as i do.
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 8:17 PM, Scott Ritchey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> The US Civil War was about more than slavery.  At that time the main
>>> federal
>>> tax was import duties.  The south, having little ability to manufacture
>>> goods paid a very disproportionate share of these taxes while the north
>>> made
>>> a lot of their own stuff and didn't need many imports.  Lincoln's
>>> emancipation proclamation was a political move that only freed slaves in
>>> the
>>> south while any slaves in the north (still slaves under Dred-Scott) were
>>> not
>>> effected.  The primary result was to push back open support for the south
>>> in
>>> Europe and the UK who were then anti-slave.  Practically speaking,
>>> slavery
>>> was already doomed in the US because machines would be more economical in
>>> a
>>> just a few years. The real issue was secession and slavery was just one
>>> factor.  The south believed that they because they joined the union
>>> voluntarily and could also leave if they wanted to.  The constitution was
>>> silent (and still is) on that issue. Lincoln believed that the union
>>> would
>>> continue to fragment (like Germany) over every little issue once the
>>> precedent was set so, despite much political resistance in the north, he
>>> went to war to keep the union intact.  By any measure, it was the worst
>>> war
>>> in US history.  One wonders how the history of the world would be
>>> different
>>> if the south had been allowed to secede.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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