Depending on where you live and the sort of winter conditions you experience, I 
would be more concerned about
stickyness than rolling resistance. Unless, of course you put winter tires on 
anyway. My past, and not recent by
any means, experience with Michelin was that I could not wear them out but I 
had no grip when it got cold.

Randy

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[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of ernest breakfield
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] SD Tires -- Michelin X ???


although i've had good luck in most instances with Michelin on several
different vehicles (including Xs and XZXs), the set i put on our 300D
several years back tracked and followed road irregularities so badly
that the tire shop swapped them out for a set of comparable-level
Pirellis. (sorry, i don't have the model number/name of those Michelins
handy right now, but they were a rebranded model specifically labeled
for one of the major tire chain stores.) much to my surprise, those
Pirellis have lasted almost 60K miles so far.

    WRT to rolling resistance; there was a sidebar in the AAA magazine
recently that mentioned one of the subscription consumer organizations
(Consumer Reports, IIRC) was the only group actually doing standardized
rolling resistance testing.

    in my experience to date, tires that had lower rolling resistance
typically also had poorer traction and/or ride performance. if that's
changed for the better (and only fair testing would show that) and
assuming that those tires are not suffering in any other area of
performance, one has to ask oneself how much one is likely to save in
fuel by using those tires to determine if any additional cost it worth it.
    personally, i'm most interested in a tires grip and reliability,
with ride and availability of support following close behind. wear and
rolling resistance fall far behind in the list of primary considerations.


cheers!
e


Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote:
> A few years ago when I was tire shopping, the lacking bit of information
> was tire rolling resistance.  I think that there can be as much as a 10%
> fuel economy hit with some tires, but good luck trying to figure out
> which ones.  Michelin is one of the few companies that does provide some
> info, and they seem to have relatively low rolling resistance, but
> personally I think they are an over-priced tire for the rest of the
> performance numbers.  I've bought Continental tires for both my wagon
> and Wife's Infiniti and I'm quite happy with them.  I've also had
> Bridgestone Turanza tires on Wife's car and they were not so great.  I
> calculate a 10% loss in fuel economy vs. the Michelins I replaces, they
> were a bit noisy, but great wear and grip.
>
> Max
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
> [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley
> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 2:35 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] SD Tires -- Michelin X ???
>
>
> I used to like the Michelin X and XZX about 25 years ago. Don't know
> much about the tires that would wear that name today, other than they
> don't seem to be available at the Tire Rack. It looks like all the
> Michelin have a $70/4 rebate now. Harmony and Hydroedge seem to be well
> liked all season tires:
> http://www.tirerack.com/tires/surveyresults/surveydisplay.jsp?type=AS
>
> The new X look nothing like the X from the 80s and 90s. (one would hope
> there would be some advances in tread design since then)
> http://www.michelinman.com/tires/passenger-car-minivan/x-radial-dt/
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