I get what you're saying but would counter that we should end all subsidies for 
air travel. We spend more on airports per annum than we've spent on Amtrak 
total, without even beginning to talk about security. Air travel should pay for 
itself, otherwise its not viable. Airline tickets are artificially low because 
the ticket price doesn't account for the cost to run the airport, the air 
traffic control or security, including TSA and the State Police presence.

But where does it end? Should we end any subsidy for roads? Should roads be 
forced to be paid for only by fuel taxes? Actually I'd like to know if thats 
possible, do our legislators siphon that money off to pay for other stuff while 
letting our roads and bridges crumble?

Does "Social Engineering" include museums, aquariums and the like? I'm fairly 
libertarian but I do see where much of that contributes to the common good, in 
the same way public schools do, or should anyway.

-Curt

Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 18:30:41 -0700
From: G Mann <g2ma...@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Energy Victory?
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Regardless of what justification you make, I object to taxation for social
engineering.

For example, Government mandated, corn based ethanol, has destroyed the
food chain of farmer to food market. That program supports the huge
commercial farming operations of such companies as ADM, Cargyl, and others.
It kills the family farmer. Your desire to "live small" is your individual
choice and mandating it on everyone else through enforced "carbon taxation"
or some other social engineering scheme simply insults me.

In case you have not noticed.. America is a huge county with distance
measured in hours from point to point, not miles.  The highway system
supports that. Public transport does not. America has cities the size of
entire countries in Europe. Those cities are not built around a "central
hub" where the citizens all go for goods and services.

Example: Local city just put in a "light rail" system, about 40 miles,
which cost the taxpayers 80 BILLION dollars. Every street that has "light
rail" closed businesses since they could not exist for 2 yrs while it was
being built and traffic was closed. Now the "light rail" is failing to
support it's self cause there are no businesses to travel to along the
route, and no one riding it.  BUT, we spent 80 BILLION dollars to have it.
In practical fact, we could send a limo and driver to every rider for next
40 years and still not spend 80 BILLION dollars. But government heads don't
think in practical fact, do they.
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