I would counter, does a debt approaching 20 TRILLION dollars makes sense for the items you've listed?
Yes, people who use air travel (passengers and freight shippers) should pay the cost. We will as a population pick up some of that naturally in the increased cost of shipped goods. No taxation is necessary. Ditto roads, fuel taxes sounds like a great way, siphoning these into the general fund should be prohibited, with privately operated toll roads where feasible. Museums, aquariums ... how often do you visit these? A few times a year? You still pay for admission in most places, why not make these places pay their own way. Are you happy borrowing from China and making your great grandchildren pay for your museum experience today? WE HAVE NO MONEY. We need to STOP SPENDING money on non-essentials. Sadly I don't hold out a lot of hope for this happening. On Mon, Jan 2, 2012, at 11:51 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: > I get what you're saying but would counter that we should end all subsidies > for air travel. We spend more on airports per annum than we've spent on > Amtrak total, without even beginning to talk about security. Air travel > should pay for itself, otherwise its not viable. Airline tickets are > artificially low because the ticket price doesn't account for the cost to run > the airport, the air traffic control or security, including TSA and the State > Police presence. > > But where does it end? Should we end any subsidy for roads? Should roads be > forced to be paid for only by fuel taxes? Actually I'd like to know if thats > possible, do our legislators siphon that money off to pay for other stuff > while letting our roads and bridges crumble? > > Does "Social Engineering" include museums, aquariums and the like? I'm fairly > libertarian but I do see where much of that contributes to the common good, > in the same way public schools do, or should anyway. > > -Curt > > Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 18:30:41 -0700 > From: G Mann <g2ma...@gmail.com> > To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Energy Victory? > Message-ID: > <cantulygfucwqv03fepsmih_5zp8ten8kf-lzydh-z+h4phf...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Regardless of what justification you make, I object to taxation for social > engineering. > > For example, Government mandated, corn based ethanol, has destroyed the > food chain of farmer to food market. That program supports the huge > commercial farming operations of such companies as ADM, Cargyl, and others. > It kills the family farmer. Your desire to "live small" is your individual > choice and mandating it on everyone else through enforced "carbon taxation" > or some other social engineering scheme simply insults me. > > In case you have not noticed.. America is a huge county with distance > measured in hours from point to point, not miles. The highway system > supports that. Public transport does not. America has cities the size of > entire countries in Europe. Those cities are not built around a "central > hub" where the citizens all go for goods and services. > > Example: Local city just put in a "light rail" system, about 40 miles, > which cost the taxpayers 80 BILLION dollars. Every street that has "light > rail" closed businesses since they could not exist for 2 yrs while it was > being built and traffic was closed. Now the "light rail" is failing to > support it's self cause there are no businesses to travel to along the > route, and no one riding it. BUT, we spent 80 BILLION dollars to have it. > In practical fact, we could send a limo and driver to every rider for next > 40 years and still not spend 80 BILLION dollars. But government heads don't > think in practical fact, do they. > <snip> > > _______________________________________ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > _______________________________________ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
