The original plan was to run this pipeline to the Pacific coast of Canada, but 
the environmentalists in Canada are powerful enough that they were able to 
quash it.

This is why they turned to the south and looked for the closest port

There is an existing portion of the pipeline in Canada, and it's been managed 
poorly, which is probably the reason why Canadians pulled the plug on trying to 
run it to the Pacific.

I worked at a couple of the early oil sands sites in eastern Alberta, and that 
stuff was flat-out nasty....

Dan

On Feb 29, 2012, at 2:58 PM, clay monroe <redgh...@comcast.net> wrote:

> But why are we shipping not our oil as well as our oil from far north all the 
> way to the Gulf?  We should build refineries up north, turn the stuff to 
> useful fuel.  Home use would lower our price at the pump, then whatzizname 
> would get a free ride back to the whitehouse.
> 
> Making the Canadians build a pipeline to the Pacific on their own land to 
> supply china makes more sense, than letting the chinese suckle at our gulf 
> ports.  All the tar sand juice is not doing us any good, so kill the 
> pipelines unless half the goo goes to our own fuel needs and not to feed the 
> nations who will one day overtake us.
> 
> 
> clay 
> 
> 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and ran
> 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial
> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Feb 29, 2012, at 10:02 AM, Curt Raymond wrote:
> 
>> Its dirty and they have to basically boil it out of the ground or strip mine 
>> it, it doesn't flow on its own. Environmentally its not particularly great 
>> stuff. It also takes quite a large energy input to retrieve...
>> 
>> Read up on the Keystone XL through Nebraska. In a lot of cases the pipeline 
>> people threatened land owners with land takings (eminent domain) if they 
>> didn't want to allow the pipeline across their land. In a lot of Nebraska 
>> Keystone XL just ain't gonna happen. As far as I'm concerned our president 
>> is NOT in the wrong in rejecting the proposal.
>> 
>> -Curt
>> 
>> Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 08:33:39 -0500
>> From: Allan Streib <str...@cs.indiana.edu>
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] BioD was Volt vs. Gas
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>> 
>> Mountain Man <maontin....@gmail.com> writes:
>> 
>>> Stray question regarding oil refining.
>>> I think I have heard stories lately about the pipeline for the tar
>>> sand oil from Canada.  Are they saying this oil is really dirty to
>>> refine?
>> 
>> I think in the past it was too expensive to refine, maybe in part
>> because it's "dirty" compared to more traditional crude oil.  With
>> prices where they are now, that has changed and suddenly extraction and
>> refining of oil from shale and tar sands is profitable.
>> 
>> Allan
>> -- 
>> 1983 300D
>> 1979 300SD
>> 
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