On Wed, 7 May 2014 18:08:21 -0500 Mountain Man <maontin....@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Craig wrote:
> > We have been put here to be stewards, not to rape and pillage. We have
> > been put here to take care of the current generation and provide for
> > future ones. Those who are promulgating the current hysteria are
> > actually concerned about neither.
> 
> Yes, I pushed *my* conclusions, but you came back and state my
> premise.

Not exactly ...


> I suggest that being stewards can be a whole lot closer to the
> political fear mongering than the humanity wrecking raw capitalism.

It can, but the political fear mongering's consequence will be to destroy
the United States (they are at it in several ways) and boost up the rest
of the world. This will be bad for the people in the U.S. and for those
dependent upon us. China won't be affected, though they put out more
pollutants than we do. Prosperous nations are concerned about pollution;
poor nations are not. Prosperous nations' citizens are treated fairly
well; poor nations' citizens are not.


> We cannot separate ourselves from this earth.  All of our food comes
> from this place.  If we wreck our food and water, we are really
> becoming poor stewards.  And every step of ruin becomes us, as we see
> wierd disease happen.

Or honeybees disappearing because, as is starting to be shown, systemic
insecticides made by the Bayer company contribute to colony collapse
disorder.

I'm not advocating raw capitalism. Without capitalism, though, things
would be much worse.


> Use none? - no.  In that, I agree with your practice which is my
> practice which is Curt/Dwight/NE practice - wear it out, make it do,
> use it up, or do without.  We can be careful what we eat and consume
> and use less oil.  I suggest there is good commonality with the "whole
> enchilada" that the "powers that be" might promulgate.

You misunderstand. The "powers that be" want "the whole enchilada" for
themselves, not for us.


> We all realize that the end legislation will be something less than
> either side promulgates - which is a good thing... maybe. mao

We will have to wait and see ... 

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