What he said.

There are some things we have done our best to ingrain into both of our boys:

You and only you are responsible for yourself, your actions, and how people 
perceive you.  If you are honest, work hard, and treat others with respect no 
matter how you are treated, you will succeed.  Success is measured by you and 
only you based on your personal goals and values.  Personal integrity is the 
only thing you can really control, but it must be earned through your actions.  
No one can take it away from you, but you are the only one who can give it 
value.

No matter how difficult life becomes, there is one thing you will always have - 
family.  It is incumbent on you to care for, trust, respect and protect your 
family.  They are the foundation on which you as a person and your personality 
are built on, and how you conduct yourself reflects directly back on every 
member.

As I mentioned earlier in this thread, whenever our boys challenged or 
questioned our values relative to others or society in general, we always told 
them that it is because we have high(er) standards.  We backed that up through 
our actions and examples.  Now that both are adults they have told us how much 
they appreciate the way we raised them.  They still deal with the trials and 
tribulations of young adults, but they need those experiences to build their 
own characters - there are some things you can’t teach or set examples for.

You have to lead by example….

Dan





> On Nov 29, 2014, at 12:30 PM, G Mann via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> My most wise and respected Grandmother [mother of 12 outstanding citizens
> who were accomplished in their chosen fields] said it best, in my opinion
> at least.
> 
> "The hand the rocks the cradle rules the world"
> 
> In her day.. and mine.. all hands rocked the cradle.. men and women worked
> together to build families, not careers. The focus was on children, their
> tenure as young emerging adults, and the building of necessary skills to
> contribute to a civil and productive society..
> 
> All adults were given and took seriously the responsibility to give
> guidance and correction where necessary to young emerging adults and to
> teach responsibility of actions, good or bad.. to both reward good actions
> and to rebuke bad actions..
> 
> The past 30 yrs of our latest social engineering experiment has failed
> pretty miserably in preserving those standards of civilization which
> overall worked to great success... such as being responsible for your own
> actions to others.. courtesy ... work ethic [and the boss ethic which
> required loyalty to your workers], and many others..
> 
> I mourn this loss of civilization and rise in concern for the heirs to our
> mistakes.. When civilization is lost, it must be relearned, always at cost
> of blood and treasure..
> 
> Your personal mileage may vary, I'm commenting on the wide brush picture of
> society worldwide, as I see it.
> 
> Grant...
> 
> On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 8:08 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Rick wrote:
>>> Many youths and young adults don't have a moral compass or a sense of
>> shame... and THAT is a problem for our future.
>>> 
>> 
>> Let's be realistic.
>> It ain't our future - it is their future.
>> Our future is gone - let it be.
>> I think we will be proud of what their future is, if *we* did things
>> responsibly in the first place.  Their future is all our fault.
>> mao
>> 
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