ALL fuel efficiency claims are false advertising, its part of the game...
-Curt
From: Dimitri <dsereta...@yahoo.com>
To: Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com>; Mercedes Discussion List
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Sent: Monday, April 27, 2015 10:15 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Park your Toyota Pious
The fact that they claim an unattainable range of 100 miles is false
advertising. We do not drive the car in a lab under perfect conditions. In the
real, practical world, the leaf has no practical application, hence it's a turd.
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> On Apr 27, 2015, at 10:09 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> And we live in a big 'ole country with lots of different places. Here we've
> got lots of water while you've got little. Here were there is history stuff
> is close together.
> I would submit this is a case of caveat emptor, the car has a possible range
> of 100 miles which will be severely impacted by running accessories, the
> leasor should have recognized the fact. Where you mention that he was late to
> court twice leads me to believe he's not one of the more planning of
> individuals. Still not the car's fault...
> -Curt
>
> From: G Mann <g2ma...@gmail.com>
> To: Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com>; Mercedes Discussion List
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> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2015 9:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Park your Toyota Pious
>
> It's bad design, and I accept that it "burns" you. Cities have freeways.
> Western cities cover several hundred square miles of land and have long
> freeways that require high speed travel. While you may live and work in a
> totally urban environment with all needs within near walking distance.. a
> large segment of this country does not.
>
> This Leaf should have never been sold for use in this city, so you are
> correct, "it doesn't work for me" and "it didn't work for the leasor"
> either.. not here, where summertime temps routinely reach over 110 and AC is
> required for survival. The design power supply will run AC nicely.. but only
> give you about 40 miles of range, if you keep speeds below 40 MPH.
>
> Sorry for your burn.. but, here, it doesn't work.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 1:55 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> It burns me when people say something is "bad" when using it outside of the
> design specification. The Leaf is a city car, not a highway car. I'm sure you
> know that the force required to move something increases geometrically with
> an exponential increase in speed.
> The place where an electric car excels is when you sit in traffic. If the
> AC/heat/lights aren't on the electric car uses basically no energy at all or
> just the little.
> So its not that its a bad car, its a bad car for YOU. Where your diesel
> pickup is a bad vehicle for people who live in the city, it uses too much
> fuel, is too hard to navigate down little streets and is way too hard to
> park. Neither is a bad vehicle just bad when outside of their design
> parameters.
> -Curt
>
> From: G Mann via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> To: Andrew Strasfogel <astrasfo...@gmail.com>; Mercedes Discussion List
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> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2015 2:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Park your Toyota Pious
>
> No heater, no AC, no lights. Just drove it at prevailing freeway traffic
> speed and watched the "fuel" gage drop like a rock at 70 mph...
>
> Unlike eastern cities, this city covers more land mass than New Jersey, so
> getting somewhere is measured in hours of travel rather than miles, often.
>
> If I lived somewhere that only required transport to the train station or
> subway for the commute to work.. then my decision would, I suppose, be to
> choose between suicide or driving a Leaf. Thankfully, I don't have to make
> either choice. I have free use of the Leaf for next 2 months because I have
> ample space to park it, and my friend who owns the lease would turn it in
> early if he could without incurring penalty, which he can't.
>
> Frankly, it is not a practical car in this state. I will plug it in to keep
> the batteries charged and it will now set. I'm done with the hassle of it
> after this one excursion. My time has more value than waiting for it to
> charge up so I can be left dead on the destination end of the next trip.
>
> On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 10:26 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
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>> Hey Grant - did you have the AC or heater running by any chance?
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 11:02 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I drove a Leaf last fall when we were looking at pickup trucks. The kid
>>> didn't miss a beat when I went from driving a Nissan Titan to the Leaf.
>>> As a car I enjoyed it, it was reasonably quick and fairly quiet. Yes its
>>> ugly but its not really all that small compared to the real crapboxes
>> like
>>> the Versa.
>>> I'm surprised to hear about 28 miles. We drove about 10 miles up a big
>>> hill and back down made enough power that the car only showed about 1%
>> drop
>>> in capacity. I didn't thrash on it though I didn't drive it super
>>> conservatively either and we ran the AC. The kid at the dealership where
>> we
>>> tested has one and says he regularly gets around 80 miles, its rated for
>>> 110 I think.
>>> 110v charging will always be very slow, 220v is of course much faster but
>>> more than twice as fast in practice I'm given to understand. The 440v
>>> chargers are astounding, 0-80% in as little as 20 minutes.
>>> A friend has an electric Fiat, she had to pay $3000 down on the lease but
>>> its $100/mo and California gives her a $2500 rebate. If I could get a
>> deal
>>> like that I'd be all over it, Angie only commutes about 10 miles each
>> way...
>>> -Curt
>>> From: G Mann via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>>> To: Mountain Man <maontin....@gmail.com>; Mercedes Discussion List <
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>>> Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2015 9:51 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] [ SPAM ] Re: Park your Toyota Pious
>>>
>>> Anyone here have any interest in a Nissan Leaf? I was given one to drive
>>> for the next two months until the lease expires. 17,000 miles of silent
>>> battery driving, all in town, since the effective range is about 80 miles
>>> before either a tow or recharge.
>>>
>>> I made a quick trip to the airport two days ago, in freeway traffic at
>>> 70mph, starting with a full charge and 28 miles later arrived at the
>>> airport with a total of 8 miles available showing on the "remaining fuel
>>> meter" ... Put the car in my hanger and plugged it in to the available
>> 110V
>>> service and after only 18 hrs of charge on 110 it was back up to 85%
>>> charge.. so I drove it home [house in town] on city streets only, no AC
>> on,
>>> no speed above 35 mph... arrived with a bit over 39% "charge
>> remaining"....
>>>
>>> It is, I believe, the most expensive golf cart I've ever driven.... Like
>> my
>>> lawyer friend who owns the lease and got stuck twice on way to court
>>> hearings because the summer heat killed the charge [you don't show up
>> late
>>> to court.. ever] I'm sure if I used it for anything but going to the
>>> supermarket I will grow to hate it..
>>>
>>> On reflection.. I already do hate it.. It's even a special design ugly
>> kind
>>> of styling [to my eye anyway].
>>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 3:25 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Peter wrote:
>>>>> Blind people hate Piouses
>>>>
>>>> I bet they also hate the Volt and also Tesla and Smart.
>>>> mao
>>>>
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