The one that is already in the shop is a 50 amp I believe as has 2 flat prongs on top and the ground at the bottom, triangle shaped. That is where I currently plugged in my compressor.
Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 21, 2015, at 2:31 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> > wrote: > > That 50A 220V outlet is probably the 3-prong triangle sort of arrangement? > Like a dryer plug? Or two spades then another one vertical to them in the > middle? I can't remember all the various types for the different loads. You > can come off there and put in another similar outlet, you have to use #8 (? I > think that's right) wire for the amperage. You DO NOT want to run other > outlets off that plug that are not rated the same amperage (I won't tell you > what I do to run my jointer and compressor in the garage...). > > If you have other 220V circuits you'll have some double-space breakers in > there that use both legs of the power coming in, and they will have 2 wires > attached to them, a black and (usually) a red, and a double bar to open/close > the circuit. You can use the white wire instead of a red, but you need to > mark it red at each end with a marker pen or red tape, and there is no white > neutral needed as the 220V is between the two hots, not like on a 110V > between a (black) hot and (white) neutral. Running say a 20A 220V circuit > you can use 12-2 romex (2 conductors black and white and the bare ground) and > just mark the white as red. Or same deal with a 30A, use 10-2 romex. If you > have a direct run from the breaker box to some outlet box, and if it only has > the black and white conductors, you can use that for 220V by using the black > for one leg and taking the white off the neutral bar and painting it red then > hooking it to the 220 breaker. Ground stays the same. Make sure there are > no in termediate receptacles that aren't also upgraded. > > If you have conduit running around, you have to use the single conductors > (THHN?) that are rated for conduit of the proper amperage. Sometimes that is > easier and in a shop protects the wiring a lot better and looks cleaner. The > 20A 220V receptacles will have one vertical and one horizontal and you will > need that kind of plug. 20A receptacles have a combination of a > vertical/horizontal so you can use them for 110V or 220V, but to me that can > cause issues if someone plugs in a 110V appliance into a 220V-wired outlet. > I have used those in all my new wiring but it is all 20A 110V. > > I would suggest you go to Lowes or HD and buy a test probe, they are like > $10-15 and will beep when you get the business end near a hot receptacle or > wire. Lots better than the little light things with the 2 wires, you won't > fry your ass. I think they work on 12V too, so good for the cars. You can > trace circuits pretty easily with one. > That 50A 220V outlet is probably the 3-prong triangle sort of arrangement? > Like a dryer plug? Or two spades then another one vertical to them in the > middle? I can't remember all the various types for the different loads. You > can come off there and put in another similar outlet, you have to use #8 (? I > think that's right) wire for the amperage. You DO NOT want to run other > outlets off that plug that are not rated the same amperage (I won't tell you > what I do to run my jointer and compressor in the garage...). > > If you have other 220V circuits you'll have some double-space breakers in > there that use both legs of the power coming in, and they will have 2 wires > attached to them, a black and (usually) a red, and a double bar to open/close > the circuit. You can use the white wire instead of a red, but you need to > mark it red at each end with a marker pen or red tape, and there is no white > neutral needed as the 220V is between the two hots, not like on a 110V > between a (black) hot and (white) neutral. Running say a 20A 220V circuit > you can use 12-2 romex (2 conductors black and white and the bare ground) and > just mark the white as red. Or same deal with a 30A, use 10-2 romex. If you > have a direct run from the breaker box to some outlet box, and if it only has > the black and white conductors, you can use that for 220V by using the black > for one leg and taking the white off the neutral bar and painting it red then > hooking it to the 220 breaker. Ground stays the same. Make sure there are > no in termediate receptacles that aren't also upgraded. > > If you have conduit running around, you have to use the single conductors > (THHN?) that are rated for conduit of the proper amperage. Sometimes that is > easier and in a shop protects the wiring a lot better and looks cleaner. The > 20A 220V receptacles will have one vertical and one horizontal and you will > need that kind of plug. 20A receptacles have a combination of a > vertical/horizontal so you can use them for 110V or 220V, but to me that can > cause issues if someone plugs in a 110V appliance into a 220V-wired outlet. > I have used those in all my new wiring but it is all 20A 110V. > > I would suggest you go to Lowes or HD and buy a test probe, they are like > $10-15 and will beep when you get the business end near a hot receptacle or > wire. Lots better than the little light things with the 2 wires, you won't > fry your ass. I think they work on 12V too, so good for the cars. You can > trace circuits pretty easily with one. > > --R > >> On 11/21/15 2:34 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote: >> When ya gonna be home next week? (turkey day week) It might work... >> >> You can move the switches, or change to 3 way and run a wire from the >> current to the additional switches. If the picture I can't see has wires >> connected to the double breaker, then it is a 220 circuit. 120V should have >> a black, a white and a green. Most residential 220/240 has the same. the >> white is used in place of the red. Good color coding would be black, red, >> green for a 220/240v single phase, and it may have a white also to keep the >> common. >> >> You can put more than one outlet on a breaker, but for 240 V major users, >> the best practices is to have one outlet per breaker. Same for dishwasher, >> air cond, etc. >> >> If you need more spaces, you can get piggyback breakers or half width >> breakers to get more 120V circuits in the same box, freeing up spaces for >> 240V doubles. >> >> Your old place would not have been too much out of the way. If I remember >> right, you are close to Ponca City now. SE of Ponca? I'd have to figure out >> the route to get there. >> >> >>> Get in the car and drive down, you can haul a load of parts back with you. >>> My shop is kind of retarded. So the walk in door is at 1 end, the breaker >>> box is at the other and this is where they also located the light switches, >>> right next to the breaker box. The 220 or 240 outlet whatever you call, >>> which is 50 amp btw is also right next to the breaker box. This is a good >>> spot to say plug in a welder or something but the huge air compressor is >>> right in the way there. I want to locate it in a corner on the other side >>> of the shop but need an outlet there. The empty box with what appears to be >>> about 10-12 gauge wires is close to the walk in door, but not really in the >>> corner where I want to put the compressor. That other empty box with the >>> lighter gauge wires is in the perfect spot but I think it's 110 type wires. >>> I also really need to have a light switch put in by the door, I guess in >>> addition to or relocate the ones by the breaker box. In the box there is at >>> least 1 maybe 2 empty spot s for breakers. Does each outlet have to have its own breaker or can 2 use the same breaker? >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Nov 21, 2015, at 12:45 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes >>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>> >>>>> I have 1 220 outlet in my shop but it's not really in a good location. I >>>>> need a couple more installed for future lifts and air compressor. I have >>>>> a couple of blank boxes in the shop with no outlets in them. One has >>>>> heavy wires and is in a better location but still need one or 2 more. >>>>> Does this appear to be wired for 220 and all I need to do is install the >>>>> outlet? How do I wire in additional outlets? Maybe I would be better >>>>> having an pro do it. >>> >> >>> >> Sent from my iPhone >>> > >>> > Pay my way there and I'll do it for ya. Trade ya labor fer paatz >>> > >> >> _______________________________________ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > > > _______________________________________ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > _______________________________________ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
