You're still missing the point, take something like a mid '60s luxo barge and 
crash it at 60 mph into the VW. That '60s car is way heavier but all the force 
of the accident is transmitted into the passengers, the VW passengers might be 
hurt but they'll be much less dead that the passengers of the bigger vehicle.
5th Gear explained this pretty well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCecdOBCFjI
-Curt

      From: Kyle Arola <kylearola1...@gmail.com>
 To: Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com>; Mercedes Discussion List 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
 Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2017 12:22 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: VW doesn't like buying back stripped TDIs
   
I understand that point, but a heaver car is more likely to survive than a Yugo 
type car.  The VW is a Yugo type car.  If I was so worried about getting in an 
accident I would only drive My F-250.

Kyle

On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 12:09 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Worrying about the car surviving an accident is backwards. The car dies in an 
accident so that the passengers might survive. In an accident energy MUST go 
somewhere, you want the car to take that energy, not you...
-Curt

      From: Kyle Arola via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
 To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Cc: Kyle Arola <kylearola1...@gmail.com>
 Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2017 12:06 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: VW doesn't like buying back stripped TDIs

I don't care about VW polluting (every manufacturer has probably cheated at
some point) and their pollution is not the reason we chose the buyback.  We
are participating in the buyback for the simple reason that once we receive
our money (we put over 1/2 down) we will be debt free.  As in totally, no
house payment, no land payment, no car payment, or CC payments....

We chose the W123 wagon simply because it is the coolest wagon on the road,
Period.  No other wagon comes close. It also has an incredible engine for
longevity when cared for properly.  We did not choose it for it being a
diesel, just a bonus for us as my truck is a diesel (polluting bastard that
is is "ROLL COAL!") and my tractor on the farm is a diesel (Roll Coal
Jr.).

We have to have a station wagon, and the modern wagons suck.  They look
like crap sandwiches.  We rarely travel on the interstate, and local roads
are pretty slow going.  Safety is great in a W123 wagon, for what it is,
and most likely will survive a minor fender bender better than our VW would
have with it's plastic parts and exploding airbags.

I cannot speak for others participating in the buyback, but there are other
concerns as well.  Long term support, parts availability, EPA approved fix,
and dealer support.  Let alone if the EPA does not approve a fix and you
keep the car and cant register it... Too many questions and easier to get
out now than wait for the hammer.  For my family at least.

Kyle



On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 11:15 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Bingo.  Kyle is one example, trading his modern VW diesel for a 123 diesel
> thirty years old.
>
> Which pollutes more?
>
> How many other VW owners will make a similar choice?  Net pollution
> generated going up or down?
>
> We haven't even touched on passenger safety.
> --
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD
> '95 E300
>
> On December 27, 2016 7:50:44 PM EST, Dimitri via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >I agree it's total bs. I mean lets get real here- the current vw
> >diesels don't smoke or stink. If they don't smoke or stink then they
> >are polluting a whole lot less than older diesels. And they get like
> >45-50 mpg which means that less fuel gets consumed which means fewer
> >greenhouse gases get produced as compared with almost all gas and
> >probably most hybrid powered vehicles.
> >
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