Kind of hard to say if the deaths and cases out of China are accurate. Take the death of the ophthalmologist guy who blew the whistle on the whole epidemic, for example. Russia is another case in point where medical professionals start to fall out of windows if they say anything too far out of line. We don't know anything they don't want us to know. We have some ideas from urn orders by mortuaries etc that the death toll in China was considerably higher than published.
Having said that, none of the official death numbers are accurate, from any country. They all undercount the true death toll because people were dying of this disease in nursing homes etc before anyone was testing for it. It was true in Italy and it was and is true here. Similarly for the lower working class in major cities here - they cannot afford to not work and they are not about to go and get tested and told they need to stay home. Looking at excess deaths for this time of year compared to other years is likely to be the best way to tell how many people covid 19 ended up killing. It takes time for those numbers to roll in, though. On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 5:49 PM Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com> wrote: > Karl, > > Does anybody honestly believe the numbers coming out of China? I find them > so low as to be a joke... > > I'm with Rick, we're all going to get this eventually, it's essentially a > new, much worse, flu. Get used to the idea now. This who are waiting for a > vaccine ignore the fact that the record for a vaccine release is 4 years. > > Curt > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature> > > On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 7:52 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes > <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Rick I won't tell either of them that you said they were fat or unhealthy > :-) Picture very fit, active, healthy moms in their 40s and you will have > the idea. > > My point is exactly that: many people (including me) want to minimize this > thing by thinking that all the people getting sick are somehow not like > them, but this is not the case. Statistically sure most young healthy > people are not going to die from it. But it still makes normal, otherwise > healthy, middle age people very sick in a way that influenza does not, over > a much longer interval measured in weeks rather than days. I am talking > about not being able to speak in full sentences for weeks, being short of > breath talking on the phone. Having pain in your lungs when you breathe. > For weeks. > > I think the flu comparison article I posted speaks to this. Covid deaths > this year are multiples of influenza deaths even in a bad year. > > Exercise is always good, as is eating right, not smoking and not being fat. > > I am not trying to alarm anyone, or advocate for any particular response, > other than to rank it higher on the list of threats in your thinking than > the flu, take appropriate precautions, etc. Saying we are all going to get > it is rather defeatist when it is clearly possible to suppress to virtually > zero e.g. Taiwan, Hong Kong, China, Singapore, S. Korea. I dont think any > of us want to give it to our parents or elderly friends. Wash hands, wear a > mask if you are close to vulnerable people for more than 30 minutes in a > poorly ventilated space, these are sensible precautions that don't cost > much. Maybe we will start to track it better so we dont end up shutting the > whole economy down. > > Ok maybe I was silly to bring it up, especially for Euan in New Zealand > where they dont even have any of this disease. > > Maybe the meth jokes arent so bad after all. > > As you were. > > On Fri, May 15, 2020, 2:28 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > Karl inquires: > > > > >How many people do you know who have died of the flu? > > > > With or of? A few over the years with, none of. > > I do have know someone who was very close to death from H1N1 in 2009. > > From, not with. She is still not 100% a decade later. That is/was a VERY > > nasty virus that directly killed a lot of otherwise healthy people. > > > > >The mom of my 3rd grader's classmate has been in >the hospital for about > > 6 weeks and a colleague of >mine at the hospital was out of work for 5 > > weeks >and still cant breathe well when she lies flat. 40yo RN > > > > Estimated BMI over 30? Other comorbidities? > > > > Sorry folks, if you are fat, out of shape, or have other health issues, > > address what you can. The curve has been flattened, but the area under > the > > curve has not. Meaning whoever was going to get this virus is still going > > to get it, just later this year or next. Meaning we will have to fight > off > > not only Covid 19, but influenza a or influenza b, AND Covid 19 > > concomitantly. So, with that said, > > > > 1. If you smoke, quit. Now. I watched my mom and my brother pass from > lung > > cancer. I suspect death from this is similar. > > 2. If you have a BMI over 30, lose fat. Now. Diet is key. Stop putting > > garbage in your pie hole. > > 3. If you can tolerate hard aerobic exercise, do it every day. (Increase > > your VO2 max) This is a pulmonary disease. Increasing pulmonary function > > can only help. > > 4. Build some muscle. If you end up in the hospital for an extended > > period, more muscle mass will help. > > 5. Get some sunshine. Vitamin D is good for you. > > > > That's all I can think of off the top of my head. > > Obviously I am not a doctor, just an uneducated rube, and if this advice > > is offensive, so be it. If it is bad advise, please post credible links > > disproving it. > > > > Rick > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > _______________________________________ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > _______________________________________ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
