Yeah a dog is part of the avoiding confrontation part. Let them move along to some house with a less ferocious, smaller pet. By the time they are in your house, your options are very limited.
On Tue, Mar 2, 2021, 12:18 PM G Mann via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > What everyone responded above in the way of prepared and alert family > members. It takes time and effort to get everyone on board with the idea of > actually defending themselves and other members. > > I would add to the above suggestions, the installation and use of well > placed cameras [multiple] with day / night vision and at your option, > motion sensor activation that are hard wired into a recording device [your > choice what works best]. > > Should you need to use lethal force to prevent your death, nothing makes > your case like having it on instant replay, with a talented and > knowledgeable 2A skilled attorney. > As part of becoming prepared, school yourself and all concerned in the > family on how to respond post use of force. > "Anything you say can, and will, be used against you." so school yourself > and family on exactly how to manage things while the criminal who presented > a deadly threat converts to room temperature. > > Suggest you have a look at USCCA. They do a very credible job of classes on > just that issue, as well as having developed a long list of 2A qualified > attorneys you can engage to represent you. The given, in today's world is, > you will most likely be arrested and charged, with "something" for > defending yourself. So, know in advance the laws that apply to your > location. > > Only my suggestions. Avoid any confrontation if you can. Peace and > KumbaYa.. > > On Tue, Mar 2, 2021 at 7:34 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > #4 birdshot in lead is 135 pellets per ounce. It's probably not deadly > > but a load of it would have a STRONG deterrent effect. Within 5-10 feet > of > > the muzzle those pellets are all clumped together and will put serious > hurt > > on whatever you hit. After about 30 feet the pellets aren't going to > > seriously penetrate a wall making it much safer for bystanders. > > > > The average homeowner type defensive gunfight is going to be 1-2 shots at > > most and is going to be highly panicked and, well lets say it'll be > > difficult. A shotgun will give you 2 things, a much better chance of > > hitting the assailant and a much smaller chance of hitting your neighbors > > through the wall of your house. So on the whole its much safer for other > > good people and much less safe for the bad guy... > > -Curt > > > > On Tuesday, March 2, 2021, 1:07:44 AM EST, Scott Ritchey via > Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > Nothing except your kids is worth you or SWMBO getting seriously hurt or > > killed over. I endorse motion lights and security cameras. They may > > provide deterrence but don't mount cameras too high; it's hard to ID tops > > of heads under hoodies. I use Ubiquiti Nanostation M5 RF bridges to link > > my barn and house networks vs burying Cat5 (I'm getting about 500 Mbps > > right now). The best gunfight is the one that never happens; things get > > out of control very fast. > > > > I think an AR (especially the pistol version) is better than a shotgun > > because of magazine capacity (30 vs 5-7) but the user MUST be willing to > > use it promptly and lethally or it will be used against your family. I > > started with a 20 Ga pump but I don't think my late wife would have been > > able to use it or an AR, she wasn't very mechanical. By definition, > > home-defense firearms must be ready to use but you need to decide that > that > > means in your home. I live alone now so that means full magazine plus > one > > in the chamber but with the hammer down, for pistols. I like a revolver > > for bedside because of simplicity in difficult conditions (like groggy > and > > dark). > > > > There are some excellent reference books but I like "NRA Guide to the > > Basics of Personal Protection in the Home", it's an oldie but a goodie. > If > > an intruder gets inside your home the basic process is ABC: Arm yourself, > > Barricade, and Communicate (certainly 911 and maybe the intruder but only > > if he already knows where you are). If your local cops are any good, let > > them clear the house; that is not a safe one-person job. You need to > tell > > the cops how to get in (maybe hand them a key) and use the 911 operator > to > > develop the situation awareness for responding LEOs. The last thing you > > want is to be mistaken for an intruder. > > > > Children (or others) in the home requires serious safety planning; what > > works with one kid may not work with another. I find the little > > Speedvaults very handy for securing handguns in strategic locations but a > > curious kid could crack the combo, given time. > > > > Even though this event is over it is still worth discussing with your > > Sheriff. For one thing, you want to meet the Sheriff to draw your own > > conclusions. Also, if they are good, the intelligence that there were > > trespassers at a known time and location could be useful. > > > > Good luck. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes > > Sent: Monday, March 1, 2021 10:24 PM > > To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> > > Cc: Kaleb Striplin <ka...@striplin.net> > > Subject: [MBZ] Common sense seems to be lacking at home > > > > I’m out of town. Wife called talking about how she stopped for gas in > > Tulsa and the whole parking lot was full of the “undesirable” types. > Soon a > > car comes screeching up and some dude is waving a gun around. First of > all, > > why the hell would you stop somewhere like that for gas. > > > > She then says they got back home about an hour ago and the kid was taking > > out the trash. He runs in and tells the wife to grab her gun and get > > outside. He heard voices. Sure enough she says she heard voices sounded > > like it was coming from the direction of the barn. She is telling this > > story like it was no big deal. I say you called the cops, correct. Nope, > > thought maybe it was coming from the neighbors hours and by the time the > > cops got here they would be gone anyway. We are on 20 acres so if you > hear > > voices people are somewhere they shouldn’t be. Wtf? So we have shit loads > > of cars around, a $30k tractor in the barn and didn’t think maybe you > > should call the cops. Not the first time we have had thugs around but > it’s > > been a while. I guess now they will know it’s OK because we will just run > > in the house and not do anything about it. I need to install some motion > > lights and cameras over by the shop and barn. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > _______________________________________ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > _______________________________________ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > _______________________________________ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
