That always intrigued me. I have enough sun to support dozens of panels but if not, community would be the way to go.
On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 1:46 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I just joined a solar co-op in Flagstaff that is starting up. I don’t > expect to follow through with a system, as the volume of 80’-100’ Ponderosa > pines on our lot limit the amount of sunlight we would get throughout the > day. > > That being said, I at least want to get an idea if it’s remotely viable. > AZ is very solar friendly, so it might be that it could make sense there as > compared to FL. > > The co-op approach gets a a bunch of potential users together who obtain > quotes from and get qualified suppliers and contractors who will do the > work for a negotiated price. It works well in eliminating the difficulties > of finding a contractor and vetting them as well as helping to establish a > competitive cost for materials and labor. > > -D > > > On May 27, 2022, at 1:10 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > I have a philosophical aversion to making decisions based on tax > credits or anything involving gummint "help." > > > > A friend of mine was all excited a few weeks ago about getting solar > panels on his roof, tax credits and all that. He is a world-class ecologist > and ocean researcher so he is into the environmental aspects of the > schemes. Whatever. I popped by the other day to pick up something and he > was lamenting the whole thing, the contractor (sourced through the electric > company) was completely incompetent, etc. so he sent them on their way. > The whole thing is on hold. > > > > Another buddy apparently has a system installed now and is waiting for a > Tesla battery to provide some stand-alone capacity in the event of power > outage. I was over there recently but it was dark and I didn't see the > install. > > > > I have been thinking once I move to my more rural estate I might do some > solar but it would likely require a solar "farm" i.e., free-standing panels > on some racks or something because of the layout of the estate. But then I > think about a tank of fuel with a generator to run things and that seems a > better deal. > > > > --FT > > > >> On 5/27/22 12:55 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: > >> This is my position. I’m more than wiling to “go green” if it makes > good financial sense. At present and for the foreseeable future, it > doesn’t. That’s whether it pertains to cars or stationary power systems. > >> > >> -D > >> > >>>> On May 27, 2022, at 12:51 PM, G Mann via Mercedes< > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> In the interest of a reality check on that thought, consider this. > >>> 1. Since you would not be able to do a grid tie to the solar panels, > you > >>> would not receive any government matching funds for purchase and > install of > >>> the solar rack. Your cost for a 10KW solar array would be, approx, > $15,000. > >>> 2. You then need an enclosed and vented space for a battery bank > [insert > >>> cost per sq. ft of house area.] > >>> 3. You then need to purchase and maintain a battery bank. Estimated $8 > to > >>> $10,000, with cables and racks. > >>> 4. Now, a solar controller, to control battery bank charging and > inverter > >>> to control car charging. Estimate, $8 to $10,000 for that equipment. > >>> Which gives rise to the question: "Does $8 per gallon for diesel sound > so > >>> bad in comparison, or are you truly committed to "Go Green via an EV"? > >>> > >>> On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 7:20 AM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes < > >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Putting aside the environmental and international economic and > security > >>>> issues associated with lithium batteries and PV panels, I like the > idea of > >>>> a garage with PV panels to charge your car. Of course you would need > >>>> storage batteries in your garage to collect and store the electrons > from > >>>> solar photons so you can charge your car at night. The whole process > should > >>>> be on the order of maybe 8% efficient if you’re lucky. > >>>> > >>>> --FT > >>>> Sent from iFōn > >>>> > >>>>> On May 27, 2022, at 4:31 AM, mitch--- via Mercedes < > >>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >>>>> When I first heard of ZEVs, I thought "Oh, you mean Remote Emissions > >>>> Vehicles". > >>>>> Mitch. > >>>>> > >>>>>> On 2022-05-26 17:24, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: > >>>>>> And I don’t want to start the back and forth up, but the electricity > >>>>>> to charge those batteries has to come from somewhere, and it’s > likely > >>>>>> generated using fossil fuels at present. > >>>>>> So the emissions are going to come from somewhere in the process, > just > >>>>>> not from a tailpipe on the car in this case. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________ > >>>>> http://www.okiebenz.com > >>>>> > >>>>> To search list archiveshttp://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >>>>> > >>>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >>>>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >>>>> > >>>> _______________________________________ > >>>> http://www.okiebenz.com > >>>> > >>>> To search list archiveshttp://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >>>> > >>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >>>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >>>> > >>>> > >>> _______________________________________ > >>> http://www.okiebenz.com > >>> > >>> To search list archiveshttp://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >>> > >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >>> > >> _______________________________________ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archiveshttp://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > > -- > > --FT > > _______________________________________ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > _______________________________________ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > _______________________________________ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
