They get boatloads of money for licensing O365 and Azure. I can’t recall 
exactly how many millions of dollars my employer pays them annually for our G5 
and O365 instances, but it’s a lot. And even after this they’re still digging 
for more, like charging for log transmission and retention, for example.

I see O365 and Azure as a Swiss Army knife. Sure, they can do a lot of 
different things, but they don’t do any of them in an exemplary manner.

-D

> On Sep 18, 2023, at 3:04 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> Microsoft doesn't try too hard anymore about copy-protecting Windows. They 
> are stuffing more and more adware and tracking into it so the more people 
> they can get using it the more money they make.
> 
> As a company, however, Windows is not their future. They are selling cloud 
> services now. Office365 and Azure. They are milking Windows for money but 
> it's not their flagship product anymore. 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Sep 18, 2023, at 13:53, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>> Win 10 allows the original OS to be reinstalled. I installed it 
>> straight up on some Z440s I had at work. Just download the ISO from 
>> Microsoft and make a USB drive, easy peasy.
>> 
>> -Curt
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 12:55:09 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via 
>> Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Where do you get the OS? Back in the day I had installations that could 
>> be installed on any number of machines like an enterprise copy. That 
>> was windows 7 though. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2023, at 11:37 AM, MB list etc via Mercedes 
>>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I've quit building my own and now buy used previous generation HP 
>>> workstations with the OS from eBay. Kurt suggested this a while back. I 
>>> installed a new SSD as the boot drive and use the HD it came with for data. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ------- Original Message -------
>>>> On Monday, September 18th, 2023 at 10:25 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> My PC appears to have crashed. This is a system I built probably 10 or 
>>>> more years ago, maybe much longer. And over the years IIRC have upgraded 
>>>> the MB. It had a 1.5tb HDD as well as a 1tb SSD. Over the last couple of 
>>>> months I have noticed a high pitched whining sound. Seemed to start and 
>>>> stop. This was coming from the SSD. It then got to where when booting the 
>>>> cmos wouldn’t even see the SSD. System seemed to boot fine otherwise. At 
>>>> one point in the last week system seems extremely slow to boot. I also 
>>>> ordered a deal where you can plug in drive to a device that connects to 
>>>> PC. With SSD connected I finally got it to recognize the drive but when 
>>>> trying to access, sits there and then gives I/O error drive not accessible.
>>>> 
>>>> Installed SSD back in machine, same thing. Also, I have noticed that even 
>>>> without the SSD installed the main HDD is started and stopping all the 
>>>> time and takes forever to load windows. At the moment machine won’t even 
>>>> load windows, just goes into a repair then says not able to repair. Only 
>>>> option is to try to have to reinstall windows.
>>>> 
>>>> Back to SSD, tried connecting it to a laptop and it shows the drive which 
>>>> appears to have 2 partitions but clicking on either one, it spins/loads 
>>>> for a few minutes. Strange thing is when viewing these drives in windows 
>>>> it doesn’t show capacity and free space. Eventually it basically says 
>>>> drive inaccessible. I need to recover this drive. Any ideas or software 
>>>> that might work?
>>>> 
>>>> Point of the post. Thinking it’s time for a new system. Should I just 
>>>> order new MB, memory, hard drive etc, build a completely new system, or 
>>>> just buy a commercially prebuilt one such as HP etc? The prices of these 
>>>> seem so cheap these days and will already have OS installed maybe that 
>>>> makes the most sense? If I go this route I will then attempt to connect 
>>>> these drives externally to recover data.
>>>> 
>>>> Anyone have any thoughts on this?
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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