For a desktop machine I'd go with something like this: 
https://www.ebay.com/itm/175874607658?hash=item28f2f18a2a:g:T9EAAOSwkwNk8HHB&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAA0FOsKwtEQnKBXTX%2BPQptGXq1l4%2FhmNsQzAnJTMJFwkKCP29Oi4k4WMHZaMlqj%2BUo3mGDbClGcnLxUxUBicauQGvy596OAt31SFCLIvzhrRNCqFf%2FdrxC7gDnkKtoCUXp6e%2B%2F0veOEUhJriSbegQfJiPxa1n%2FaitqJSJIIX3U%2B8wLdO9J9sIajWIQp5hAm95EA7scTe7yhvtwqdyprc9IUnbb30M43H7d2Y3cgBKgWF1w8wim6NsuIbZ3oAVVRzw2s98nExo7t2bUpWJFbUMioJI%3D%7Ctkp%3ABFBMtOfyrtVi

32GB RAM, the only thing I don't like is that its only a quad core processor. 
Probably plenty for a normal person looking to just do some regular computing.
There are a bunch of them on eBay, some with more processor, less/more RAM, 
bigger/smaller drives. Pick one that fits your budget.

For reference until last spring Angie's business ran on an HP XW8200 from 
pre-2005, as in I don't really remember how old it was but it can't be newer 
than that. I remember getting my boss to buy it. It was the first machine I 
ever used with SATA as standard. Cost around $3500 as I recall.

-Curt




On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 08:51:40 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: 





Can you point me to an example that might be a good deal? I have been out of 
the PC hardware game for a while and not sure what’s a good deal/spec these 
days. 

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> On Sep 18, 2023, at 1:51 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> Yup, an older workstation is totally the way to go. Right now I'd be looking 
> at an HP z4, they've been out for several years and several revisions using 
> that model number. Looks like good ones are around $250 on eBay for a machine 
> that would have been $1500-2000 4 years ago...
> 
> Hard drives are not forever, 7 years is a good lifespan in full time usage. 
> As soon as they start to make any weird noises back up your data because the 
> end time is neigh....
> 
> -Curt
> 
> On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 12:37:22 PM EDT, MB list etc via Mercedes 
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I've quit building my own and now buy used previous generation HP 
> workstations with the OS from eBay. Kurt suggested this a while back. I 
> installed a new SSD as the boot drive and use the HD it came with for data. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------- Original Message -------
>> On Monday, September 18th, 2023 at 10:25 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> My PC appears to have crashed. This is a system I built probably 10 or more 
>> years ago, maybe much longer. And over the years IIRC have upgraded the MB. 
>> It had a 1.5tb HDD as well as a 1tb SSD. Over the last couple of months I 
>> have noticed a high pitched whining sound. Seemed to start and stop. This 
>> was coming from the SSD. It then got to where when booting the cmos wouldn’t 
>> even see the SSD. System seemed to boot fine otherwise. At one point in the 
>> last week system seems extremely slow to boot. I also ordered a deal where 
>> you can plug in drive to a device that connects to PC. With SSD connected I 
>> finally got it to recognize the drive but when trying to access, sits there 
>> and then gives I/O error drive not accessible.
>> 
>> Installed SSD back in machine, same thing. Also, I have noticed that even 
>> without the SSD installed the main HDD is started and stopping all the time 
>> and takes forever to load windows. At the moment machine won’t even load 
>> windows, just goes into a repair then says not able to repair. Only option 
>> is to try to have to reinstall windows.
>> 
>> Back to SSD, tried connecting it to a laptop and it shows the drive which 
>> appears to have 2 partitions but clicking on either one, it spins/loads for 
>> a few minutes. Strange thing is when viewing these drives in windows it 
>> doesn’t show capacity and free space. Eventually it basically says drive 
>> inaccessible. I need to recover this drive. Any ideas or software that might 
>> work?
>> 
>> Point of the post. Thinking it’s time for a new system. Should I just order 
>> new MB, memory, hard drive etc, build a completely new system, or just buy a 
>> commercially prebuilt one such as HP etc? The prices of these seem so cheap 
>> these days and will already have OS installed maybe that makes the most 
>> sense? If I go this route I will then attempt to connect these drives 
>> externally to recover data.
>> 
>> Anyone have any thoughts on this?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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