Just another note -- Grizzly has some fairly small mills and lathes, 
there are quite a few groups that are really into these things, and they 
are not that expensive.  Adding in some tooling, you can get a very nice 
setup of the smaller tools for <$2k, and then down the line think about 
adding digital readouts and motors for CNC control.  My buddy bought one 
of the smallest benchtop mills for like $500, and has outfitted it with 
the DROs and motors and CNC controller (which probably adds another 
$1000, maybe a bit less).

These are nice units
http://www.grizzly.com/catalog/2007/Main/545, similar to a bunch of 
others, here is some info on CNCing it  
http://www.arceurotrade.co.uk/projects/X3-CNC/
http://www.grizzly.com/products/G0602

--R

archer wrote:
> Thanks, Rich, just the kind of information I was looking for.
> Gerry
> -------------------------------------- 
> From: "Rich Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>   
>> These are similar to Grizzly and HF and I think a couple other brands,
>> the Chinese ones are all made in the same factories from what I can find
>> out, slightly different features on some of them.  Smithy might be a bit
>> higher quality (and price) than the G and HF units, but similar.  I have
>> been thinking about these things (a lathe and a mill) for awhile, but
>> don't have room right now.  FWIW everyone says not to get the combo
>> machine as it ends up being a PITA to use, better to get a separate
>> lathe and mill.  These machines are apparently OK for general hobby use
>> but not quite up to precision-type work (which most people probably
>> don't do anyway).  The Grizzly's get bit higher marks on quality and
>> support, HF a bit less.
>>
>> I have the Grizzly catalog and keep looking at the small lathe and
>> mill...  A buddy of mine bought a little mill and is converting it to
>> CNC, he likes it and has a lot of fun with it.  You will also spend
>> quite a bit on tooling, this place has a lot of that, and similar
>> machines too.  http://www.use-enco.com/CGI/INSRHM
>>
>> --R
>>
>> archer wrote:
>>     
>>> Speaking of Chinese machine tools, I've been getting regular flyers from
>>> "Smithy" machine tools in Ann Arbor, Michigan.  Their very nice looking
>>> lathes, which also have a vertical mill, must be made in China; 
>>> considering
>>> that their prices range from $1500 to only $3500 for relatively complex
>>> machines.  Has anyone had experience with their lathes?
>>> Gerry
>>>       
>
>
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