Different cultures have different understanding of these phenomena ----- Original Message ----- From: "archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 4:13 PM Subject: [MBZ] Ghost stories
> (From another list:) > Pete wrote: > I'm confused about >> how we handle paranormal events. These cannot be explained >> logically, yet I have personally experienced them several >> times myself. They cannot be explained with simple >> psychology either, as they are physical manifestations >> revealing knowledge that no one can know. In my other >> discussions it seems that this whole world of >> the paranormal is dismissed without any real reasoning, >> usually with a sense of fear. It doesn't appear much on our >> discussion lists. > > What do _you_ think? Is there more between >> heaven and earth than we can explain? >> ................................................... > Al wrote: > I've encountered quite a few people who have >> extrasensory experiences. There may be a genetically determined >> characteristic of the mind/brain since it seems to run in families. > >> Jim Smith (now deceased), a longtime member of this and other mailing >> lists, could "think" about his dog in the next room and the dog would >> shortly come to him. He was a law professor and not one given to joking >> or exaggeration. > >> Only last week I thought about my old brother-in-law up north with some >> concern. I asked my daughter to call him and see how he was. She found >> that he had fairly severely injured his hand while working on a window. >> Normally I don't think about him or have any contact with him at all. > ........................................................ >> The validation and explanation of extrasensory phenomena will be on a par >> with the discoveries of Newton and Einstein when it happens, but I don't >> think it will happen in our lifetimes. > John > ........................................................... > Ted wrote: > One night in 1974 when I was in Hawaii aboard ship in the Navy, I dreamed > that my grandmother had come to visit me and we spent a nice day walking > around the Naval base. > > About a week later, I received a letter from my mother that my grandmother > had died in Pennsylvania on the same day of my dream. > > My wife says that she has had a "dark visitor" come into our bedroom > several > times over the past, and each time that she has seen or dreamed of this > vistor, it was a precursor to our getting a message that a relative had > died: her mother, her father, and my aunt. > I don't know if these things or the other types of paranormal events can > be > explained rationally at this time. Certainly, they cannot be investigated > with scientific rigor with the current tools available. > > But, I wonder if these events are only para-normal because we do not yet > have the means to observe and document the events. Perhaps there is an > alternative form of reality which we, at the present time, can only > perceive > in fragments. > > The situation could be analogous to that of the ancients who could only > perceive of a flat earth until the tools and science were available to > demonstrate that the earth was round. Similarly, pre-Copernicans perceived > the sun rotating about the earth until they had the telescopes and > mathemathics to understand what the real situation was. > > Perhaps we see paranormal events as a sort of hysteria/magic/etc, because > we > don't yet have the tools and the science/mathematics/psychology to > understand a different level of reality? > ......................................................... >>From George: > I have never seen a ghost myself, but sensed and heard. And my experience > falls under what I call paranormal. > After my mother died, the rest of the family were of course distressed. > But > apart from grief, we all felt this very uneasy feeling of being watched > all > the time. It was quite frustrating and an eerie feeling. Then about a > month > after the funeral I woke up in the middle of the night from three very > heavy > knocks on the front door. This was odd, because in order to get to the > front > door you needed to walk on a gravel path which went right by my bedroom, > and > I always woke up from the gravel sound - but not this time. There had been > no sound on the gravel. I recognized the sound as being from the > doorknocker > we had, so I started thinking perhaps the wind had lifted it somehow. But > it > was a very heavy brass doorknocker, and as a small child even I had > problems > lifting it - how could the wind? As I was still contemplating where those > three knocks came from, suddenly there were three heavy knocks on my > bedroom > door. I got terrified and turned on the lights. Then I heard how there > were > three knocks on each door in sequence throughout the house, ending with my > father's bedroom door, which would have been the last if you were walking > around. Then all fell silent. I was petrified, and did not dare to turn > off > the lights. I could not go back to sleep, I just cowered under the > blankets > until morning, watching the sun come up. There was never any gravel sound. > Although I was still very shaken, I got up and carefully opened the door, > thinking that if someone had gotten into the house, they should still be > there. All looked normal. I went out and all the doors looked normal. I > checked the front door, it was still _locked_. I went outside, and the > doorknocker seemed normal, there was no wind at all. My father came down, > looking as tired and haggard as I probably did. We exchanged the usual > morning pleasantries and went about our business. I did not want to say > anything, I was thinking I had had a nightmare or something. But after > thinking about it for a couple of hours I could not make head or tails of > it, and had to ask my father - "Did you hear something during the night?" > Startled, he said "Yes, did you too? I heard knocks on all the doors. It > terrified me and I couldn't get back to sleep." We compared notes and we > had > indeed both heard exactly the same thing at the same time. An hour later, > my > sister called (she was elsewhere). She hadn't been able to go to sleep > because of this uneasy feeling, so in the middle of the night she had > driven > to the cemetery, and weeping, shouted at our mothers grave to leave us > alone, and go on to wherever she was supposed to be. We compared times, > and > indeed, this was just before my father and I heard these knocks. And we > never experienced that eerie and frustrating, never-ending, feeling of > being > watched, ever again. All was suddenly calm, and we all felt a strong sense > of relief instead. > > > _______________________________________ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.23.2/1387 - Release Date: 4/19/2008 > 11:31 AM > > _______________________________________ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
