My personal experiences are not quite as dramatic, but my father
spoke of being on guard duty during the "Battle of the Bulge" [Germany,
WWII, for you young folks]. He said his mother came to see him and spoke to
him about 20 minutes. He was not at all surprised when he later got word
that she had died that night. My Sister's Father-in-law lived with them for
the last few years of his life. One morning when my sister went into his
room to make sure he was ok he told her that her daddy had come to visit him
the night before. He had stayed about 20 - 30 minutes sitting in a chair in
the room, and told him that his family was waiting to see him, and
everything would be alright. Out dad had been dead for a few years then,
and her father-in-law died that night. My personal experiences relate to
foreknowledge with both my [then] future wife and other instances, but are
not quite so dramatic.
As for how one can speak of these things, the only philosophy that
includes such a possibility as part of carefully reasoned thought is that of
Alfred North Whitehead. If you are so inclined much of the basis can be
found if "Process and Reality". Plan on reading it several times before it
begins to make sense.
BillR
Jacksonville FL
1981 300SD 301k miles
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ghost stories
Different cultures have different understanding of these phenomena
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Subject: [MBZ] Ghost stories
> (From another list:)
> Pete wrote:
> I'm confused about
>> how we handle paranormal events. These cannot be explained
>> logically, yet I have personally experienced them several
>> times myself. They cannot be explained with simple
>> psychology either, as they are physical manifestations
>> revealing knowledge that no one can know. In my other
>> discussions it seems that this whole world of
>> the paranormal is dismissed without any real reasoning,
>> usually with a sense of fear. It doesn't appear much on our
>> discussion lists.
>
> What do _you_ think? Is there more between
>> heaven and earth than we can explain?
>> ...................................................
> Al wrote:
> I've encountered quite a few people who have
>> extrasensory experiences. There may be a genetically determined
>> characteristic of the mind/brain since it seems to run in families.
>
>> Jim Smith (now deceased), a longtime member of this and other mailing
>> lists, could "think" about his dog in the next room and the dog would
>> shortly come to him. He was a law professor and not one given to joking
>> or exaggeration.
>
>> Only last week I thought about my old brother-in-law up north with some
>> concern. I asked my daughter to call him and see how he was. She found
>> that he had fairly severely injured his hand while working on a window.
>> Normally I don't think about him or have any contact with him at all.
> ........................................................
>> The validation and explanation of extrasensory phenomena will be on a par
>> with the discoveries of Newton and Einstein when it happens, but I don't
>> think it will happen in our lifetimes.
> John
> ...........................................................
> Ted wrote:
> One night in 1974 when I was in Hawaii aboard ship in the Navy, I dreamed
> that my grandmother had come to visit me and we spent a nice day walking
> around the Naval base.
>
> About a week later, I received a letter from my mother that my grandmother
> had died in Pennsylvania on the same day of my dream.
>
> My wife says that she has had a "dark visitor" come into our bedroom
> several
> times over the past, and each time that she has seen or dreamed of this
> vistor, it was a precursor to our getting a message that a relative had
> died: her mother, her father, and my aunt.
> I don't know if these things or the other types of paranormal events can
> be
> explained rationally at this time. Certainly, they cannot be investigated
> with scientific rigor with the current tools available.
>
> But, I wonder if these events are only para-normal because we do not yet
> have the means to observe and document the events. Perhaps there is an
> alternative form of reality which we, at the present time, can only
> perceive
> in fragments.
>
> The situation could be analogous to that of the ancients who could only
> perceive of a flat earth until the tools and science were available to
> demonstrate that the earth was round. Similarly, pre-Copernicans perceived
> the sun rotating about the earth until they had the telescopes and
> mathemathics to understand what the real situation was.
>
> Perhaps we see paranormal events as a sort of hysteria/magic/etc, because
> we
> don't yet have the tools and the science/mathematics/psychology to
> understand a different level of reality?
> .........................................................
>>From George:
> I have never seen a ghost myself, but sensed and heard. And my experience
> falls under what I call paranormal.
> After my mother died, the rest of the family were of course distressed.
> But
> apart from grief, we all felt this very uneasy feeling of being watched
> all
> the time. It was quite frustrating and an eerie feeling. Then about a
> month
> after the funeral I woke up in the middle of the night from three very
> heavy
> knocks on the front door. This was odd, because in order to get to the
> front
> door you needed to walk on a gravel path which went right by my bedroom,
> and
> I always woke up from the gravel sound - but not this time. There had been
> no sound on the gravel. I recognized the sound as being from the
> doorknocker
> we had, so I started thinking perhaps the wind had lifted it somehow. But
> it
> was a very heavy brass doorknocker, and as a small child even I had
> problems
> lifting it - how could the wind? As I was still contemplating where those
> three knocks came from, suddenly there were three heavy knocks on my
> bedroom
> door. I got terrified and turned on the lights. Then I heard how there
> were
> three knocks on each door in sequence throughout the house, ending with my
> father's bedroom door, which would have been the last if you were walking
> around. Then all fell silent. I was petrified, and did not dare to turn
> off
> the lights. I could not go back to sleep, I just cowered under the
> blankets
> until morning, watching the sun come up. There was never any gravel sound.
> Although I was still very shaken, I got up and carefully opened the door,
> thinking that if someone had gotten into the house, they should still be
> there. All looked normal. I went out and all the doors looked normal. I
> checked the front door, it was still _locked_. I went outside, and the
> doorknocker seemed normal, there was no wind at all. My father came down,
> looking as tired and haggard as I probably did. We exchanged the usual
> morning pleasantries and went about our business. I did not want to say
> anything, I was thinking I had had a nightmare or something. But after
> thinking about it for a couple of hours I could not make head or tails of
> it, and had to ask my father - "Did you hear something during the night?"
> Startled, he said "Yes, did you too? I heard knocks on all the doors. It
> terrified me and I couldn't get back to sleep." We compared notes and we
> had
> indeed both heard exactly the same thing at the same time. An hour later,
> my
> sister called (she was elsewhere). She hadn't been able to go to sleep
> because of this uneasy feeling, so in the middle of the night she had
> driven
> to the cemetery, and weeping, shouted at our mothers grave to leave us
> alone, and go on to wherever she was supposed to be. We compared times,
> and
> indeed, this was just before my father and I heard these knocks. And we
> never experienced that eerie and frustrating, never-ending, feeling of
> being
> watched, ever again. All was suddenly calm, and we all felt a strong sense
> of relief instead.
>
>
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