A local mechanic here is selling a snake-oil contraption which makes "browns gas" as well as tinkering with the ignition timing and he claims it gets mileage improvements of over 100%. It is Dennis Lee's device, and it is BS.
A good place to start the inquiry is by asking how much of the gasoline which goes into the cylinders in your car exits unburnt. This arguably represents the maximum gain you can make by simply improving combustion. It is a very small number in modern, fuel injected cars. Are internal combustion engines energy efficient? Not really. A lot of energy is released not in the form of kinetic energy but of heat which must be dissipated by the cooling system. But the 'browns gas" devices do nothing to change that. Lee Tom Hargrave wrote: > A small amount of hydrogen & oxygen (brown's gas) will improve the > combustion process and will provide more power. Then you'll use that > additional power plus extra to make more Brown's gas. > > Propane injection also works but its false economics. You burn less gas & > more propane. > > All of these solutions were tried in the 70's & they finally disappeared > when the public figured out that they were BS. > > The real issue is that whenever there is money to be made, there are more > than just a few crooks out there waiting to take your hard earned dollars. > > > That said, there is a way to use water to improve mileage, but not by much. > We experimented with water injection in the late 70s. The idea was to spray > a small stream of water through the carb when it was running. The water > would mix with the air & would convert to steam in the engine, providing a > little extra "push". The idea worked - I documented a 1 MPG improvement in > my 1974 Olds Cutlass Supreme. Problem was, 1 MPG was not worth the trouble > of maintaining the system. > > Thanks, > Tom Hargrave > www.kegkits.com > 256-656-1924 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of MG > Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 8:07 AM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hydrogen Power? > > I've been looking at that and thinking about it for a while. I can't see > it either. On the other hand I can see that it might be possible that a > small amount of Brown's gas (hydrogen and the oxygen that it was split > from) burned in conjunction with gasoline or diesel may possibly improve > the combustion process enough to actually give more power and thus more > mileage from each gallon of fuel. I have seen the power increase from > propane injection on a diesel truck so I can't say that this won't work. > Probably will try it sometime once I get some time to play just to see. > After all I have a good test bed. > > Manfred > > > > Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 15:55:02 -0500 > From: "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > They are burning hydrogen in the engine. > > They are using power from the battery to split water into hydrogen & > oxygen. > > But where does the power come from that's stored in the battery? > > >From the alternator, right? > > And the alternator is powered by (drum roll please), the engine? > > So, it goes like this...... > > They are using power from the engine to generate electricity, which is > used > to generate hydrogen, which is then fed back into the engine to > generate > more power. > > The issue with this system is that in an absolute perfect, no loss > system, > the results would be a net zero! In other words, no gain! > > In the real world, you loose energy with every step in the process > > Thanks, > Tom Hargrave > www.kegkits.com > 256-656-1924 > > > _______________________________________ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.20/1452 - Release Date: 5/17/2008 > 6:26 PM > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.20/1452 - Release Date: 5/17/2008 > 6:26 PM > > > > _______________________________________ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- Lee If you would be unloved and forgotten, be reasonable. - Kurt Vonnegut _______________________________________ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
