At 4:14 pm -0700 12/7/01, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>Scott Raney wrote:
>
>>  On Thu, 12 Jul 2001 Richard Gaskin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>>  If I set the focusColor of a field to empty, it uses the focusColor of its
>>>  owner.  But in my layout I don't want the focusColor to show at all -- how
>>>  can I turn it off?
>>
>>  I assume you're using 2.4 on a Mac and are talking about the focus
>>  border.  The only way to do this is to set the look and feel to
>>  Windows 95.  And before you say "but that doesn't look right on a
>>  Mac", please consider than a field without a focus border doesn't
>>  either, at least according to the HIG ;-)
>
>You may want to reconsider whether that should be optional:   I'm making a
>multi-column list, so to emulate a true multi-column list object we need to
>place several fields side by side, one for each column.    Whenever the user
>clicks on a culumn, its edge hilites due to this property.  If that doesn't
>go away, I can't do cropped list display in MC at all -- it'll kill three of
>my biggest client projects!

This is a big issue. There are many situations where a focus border 
isn't wanted. Educational applications come to mind immediately. For 
example, for young kids, imagine you want the learners to input some 
text in a field that is designed to look like a notebook. Switching 
to Windows Look and Feel *might* work, but we then have to think 
through all the consequences of doing that. Being able to have plain 
and undecorated editable text fields is surely a basic requirement 
for a multimedia development tool.

The HIG argument makes no sense. Guidleines are what you follow when 
you have no reason to do things differently. I want to be able to 
follow them, but not forced to.

As it stands, I'll be unable to use 2.4 for a large part of my work. 
This is a pity as there are so many fine new features in there. I 
wonder how many others are affected by this.

In a similar vein, I can't find a way to turn off Drag 'n Drop in 
text fields. I'm sure this is something else that we don't always 
want turned on.

Cheers
Dave Cragg

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