I cannot see anything wrong with people at source offering material they think might be a certain classification/meteorite...that's how the market has worked for years and most of the big dealers have gambled on buying that way...many many exciting meteorites have come out of NWA and elswhere that way...this has always happened and will not stop....it is just up to each individual to judge how reliable and professional or amateur the source is and then to get the material checked out professionally classified themselves before offering it further. It is quite possible to make accurate judgments about a possible classification with enough experience. On one hunting trip I found 3 meteorites that stood out from the rest, identifying them in the field as a possible Ureilite, a CV3 and an L3. All have since been officially classified as exactly what was written down in the field notes.
There will always be scammers, naive hopefuls and the delusioned but they are usually easily spotted. It is obviously wise to buy properly classified material from reputable dealers, especially when starting out....but part of the later hobby/profession is the excitement of taking a few gambles in order to find new or rarer material to be studied that might add to science and meteoritics. I'm sure, Anne, that you were very careful who you bought slices of Chelyabinsk from for making thin sections.....but I doubt that those actual individual samples had been classified and that you relied on the word of the hunter who obtained them and your own visual judgement that they were Chelyabinsk? Exactly as I did. There were tables full of Chelyabinsk in Ensisheim....at least that's what we all thought they were? ;-) Graham On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 12:20 AM, abdelfattah gharrad <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks for your note. > if someone has been cheated by me. he should say to everyone here. I have my > reputation (Alhamdolillah). > Sincerely, > Abdelfattah. > > > > ----- Mail original ----- > De : Anne Black <[email protected]> > À : [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected] > Cc : [email protected] > Envoyé le : Samedi 13 juillet 2013 19h19 > Objet : Re: [meteorite-list] ureilite for sale > > I agree entirely with you John. > > I see almost daily on the MetList people selling all kinds of rare > classifications, not just ureilite, but also carbonaceous, like, just a > few weeks ago, CM, CO, and even a CO3.2!! not just CO, or CO3, but > CO3.2!!!! > This is outrageous, and ridiculous. There is no way to tell a > classification that precisely without a lab, an electron microprobe, > and an expert meteoriticist reading the results. > To me this is totally unacceptable, and I most certainly would not buy > that. In fact I do not even buy without proper provenance! > Maybe I am difficult, but I'd rather say that I am very careful, and I > want to protect, not just me but my clients too. > > Anne M. Black > www.IMPACTIKA.com > [email protected] > > > -----Original Message----- > From: john shea <[email protected]> > To: mike <[email protected]>; life19maroc <[email protected]>; > impactika <[email protected]> > Cc: meteorite-list <[email protected]> > Sent: Sat, Jul 13, 2013 10:55 am > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ureilite for sale > > Anne and list, > > This has always perplexed me. > How man people make a claim of a classification, particularly a rare > one, without classifying it? Then every time I ask them about price, > they expect me to pay the going rate for that classification on ebay? > It has never made sense to me, and frankly, it has kept me from wanting > to buy more specimens of this sort, because I feel like my chances of > being multiply. > Hope you are all well. > Cheers, > John > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > From: > Anne Black > <[email protected]>; > To: > > <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; > > Cc: > > <[email protected]>; > > Subject: > Re: > [meteorite-list] ureilite for sale > Sent: > Sat, Jul 13, 2013 > 4:44:19 PM > > > > > > > Frankly I don't care who it is for sale to, what I want to know is: > > How do the seller know that it is a ureilite? > Has it been classified? > And by who? > > And No, I am certainly not buying without that information. > > > Anne M. Black > www.IMPACTIKA.com > [email protected] > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Farmer <[email protected]> > To: abdelfattah gharrad <[email protected]> > Cc: meteorite-list <[email protected]> > Sent: Sat, Jul 13, 2013 10:40 am > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ureilite for sale > > > I received it so it was sent to me as we'll. it is just strange to not > just say > for sale. Why for sale to only certain people? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 13, 2013, at 12:24 PM, abdelfattah gharrad > <[email protected]> wrote: > >> ????!!!! >> >> My message was sent to people who like ureilite not you. >> >> or you had nothing to do. >> >> ----- Mail original ----- >> De : Michael Farmer <[email protected]> >> À : abdelfattah gharrad <[email protected]> >> Cc : "[email protected]" > <[email protected]> >> Envoyé le : Samedi 13 juillet 2013 17h18 >> Objet : Re: [meteorite-list] ureilite for sale >> >> Why amateurs? Fake? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jul 13, 2013, at 12:16 PM, abdelfattah gharrad > <[email protected]> > wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> hello members list, >>> >>> amateurs interested to ureilite contact me please of list for > pictures and > price. >>> Thanks, >>> Abdelfattah. >>> >>> ______________________________________________ >>> >>> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > ______________________________________________ > > Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > [email protected] > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > ______________________________________________ > > Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > [email protected] > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > ______________________________________________ > > Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > [email protected] > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ______________________________________________ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list [email protected] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
