Then your guy is smoking some really good weed.:) These Chinese crack me up.
Michael Farmer > On Sep 7, 2017, at 2:02 PM, David Tann <[email protected]> wrote: > > Mike, I didn't make it clear, a syndrome I suppose when you try to type a > quick email on a crowded commuter train in the peak hours of the morning. > > I'm London based, new to meteorites collection as you would have gathered. > This reliable source of mine in China has around 40kg Nantan amongst a few of > his private collector friends. The rest of the 9.5 tons he claims were either > with Chinese authorities (museums, unis and government run parks) or have > been secretly traded abroad particularly in around 1985. > > The much bigger thing however is his claim of a massive amount of non > magmatic meteorites embedded and intertwined in stones, even I know that > would be something really big if proven genuine. They reckon, with > archeologists and geologists' help, those meteorites were from Mars and > crushed to earth 65m years ago! Needless to say, if this was true it would be > something so astonishing that no one would have even dreamed of! The guy told > me they spent over £1m to protect the secret site and transported the massive > discovery to a private place in Beijing. They also used small samples of > these as "medical stones" in treating some rare disease and apparently it > worked! > > The reason I say he is reliable is that he is introduced to me by my best > friend in China who is at the vice ministerial level, he would not introduce > anyone doggy to me as a friend that's for sure. The guy himself also has > other very high level connections. But of course the only sure way is to > independently verify things, hence my approaching you guys in the first place. > > Best, > > David > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 7 Sep 2017, at 14:50, Michael Farmer <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Are you joking? There are tons upon tons of Nantan. I've sold nearly a half >> a ton. >> I have a 92 kilo one sitting in Beijing and much more sitting in Tucson. >> >> Michael Farmer >> >>> On Sep 7, 2017, at 1:13 AM, David Tann <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Thanks, Mike, I'd go even further in saying sadly 99% of the "meteorites" >>> circulating freely in and from China are terrestrial rocks! The real >>> Nantan meteorites in private collection are extremely rare, a total of >>> around 40 kg. There is also a rarer type of meteorites intertwined with and >>> inserted into earth rocks indicating high impact crushing/explosion. I'm >>> happy to be proven wrong but as I said I have reasonable cause to believe >>> my source to be reliable and genuine, although it's going to take me >>> sometime to completely verify and document both types. I would naturally >>> like to have the samples tested. I was hoping you guys would be able to >>> test and analyse the composition of the samples for me, but I'll probably >>> approach the Natural History Museum. >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> David >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On 6 Sep 2017, at 20:47, Michael Farmer <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> David. Sorry but I do mineral shows in china. Everyone has a nice stamped >>>> paper from one Chinese government source or another. Actually your piece >>>> certainly looks like Nantan meteorite. Sadly Nantan is nearly worthless. >>>> >>>> Michael Farmer >>>> >>>>> On Sep 6, 2017, at 11:55 AM, David Tann <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, Mike & Adam, for your valuable comments which I fully understand >>>>> and much appreciate. Fake meteorites and scandalous traders were indeed >>>>> acknowledged as a big problem in China, much like elsewhere. >>>>> >>>>> I do however have reasonable confidence in the authenticity of the >>>>> meteorites as they were from no ordinary tom dick and harry but a trusted >>>>> and reliable source with high level connections in China; and they had >>>>> been assessed by professionals and academic experts from the Chinese >>>>> Academy of Sciences as genuine. >>>>> >>>>> However, I'd like to have these and a great deal more independently >>>>> tested and verified in the UK. Could you advise on how to go about that >>>>> please? >>>>> >>>>> Thank you in advance, your help is much appreciated. >>>>> >>>>> David >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On 6 Sep 2017, at 16:52, Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list >>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> People are suckers and if they want to buy crap then let them. In china >>>>>> most people want cheap. Well real good meteorites aren't cheap. So they >>>>>> buy fakes and are happy with low prices. >>>>>> Michael Farmer >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sep 6, 2017, at 9:46 AM, Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list >>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It reminds me of the China Syndrome when hundreds of terrestrial stones >>>>>>> were sold to collectors as meteorites on eBay. Anything that was dark >>>>>>> and rounded including iron ore was sold to unsuspecting collectors as >>>>>>> meteorites fleecing them out of thousands of dollars. Some of them even >>>>>>> included old looking collection ID cards. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Link to China Syndrome: >>>>>>> http://imca.cc/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=26&Itemid=114 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It was just a matter of time before fraud spread into all sectors of >>>>>>> meteorite collecting. First it affected irons, then Pallasites, then >>>>>>> falls, then Martians and now Lunar material. The worst part is some >>>>>>> dealers are using the IMCA's good name to distribute untested, unproven >>>>>>> and in some cases fake material completely bypassing protections put in >>>>>>> place by following Meteoritical Society protocols which IMCA members >>>>>>> are supposed to adhere to. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Adam >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 9/6/2017 7:03 AM, Michael Farmer wrote: >>>>>>>> That's worth about $50 >>>>>>>> Michael Farmer >>>>>>>>> On Sep 6, 2017, at 1:36 AM, David Tann <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Gents, >>>>>>>>> <image1.JPG> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This 2800g IAB Nantan Meteorite was discovered in 1958 in Nantan, >>>>>>>>> Guanxi, Southwest China. The fall was observed and clearly recorded >>>>>>>>> in Chinese historical literature, it happened on 7 June 1516 over an >>>>>>>>> 8 km length of area. Anyone interested please get in touch. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> David >>>>>>>>> 07771888566 >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 5 Sep 2017, at 17:54, Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list >>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I agree fully. Great time to buy. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Michael Farmer >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 5, 2017, at 10:31 AM, Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list >>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Just like Martians were a few years ago when the self-pairing and >>>>>>>>>>> piggy-backing reached an all time high at around 2012/NWA 7000. >>>>>>>>>>> And before that, it was falls when some less than honest dealers >>>>>>>>>>> were substituting NWA material in place of the real thing. I >>>>>>>>>>> remember Claxton, which I acquired from Michael Blood later selling >>>>>>>>>>> for less than a $100.00 gram due to a lack in collector confidence. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> No meteorite is immune from less than honest business practices. >>>>>>>>>>> Many >>>>>>>>>>> collectors will not touch anything that post dates 2012 and are >>>>>>>>>>> very leery of falls. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On the bright side. There is no better time to purchase genuine >>>>>>>>>>> lunar material with good provenance and laboratory confirmation >>>>>>>>>>> since the price is sure to go up just like the Martians that were >>>>>>>>>>> dumped a few years ago. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Adam >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/5/2017 8:30 AM, Michael Farmer wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> You are pissing in the wind. Lunars are about worthless now. >>>>>>>>>>>> Moroccans have dropped the price to less than that of eucrites. I >>>>>>>>>>>> want just in Morocco. 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