Hiya,
My point was that an impact/blast that results in a mortality
producing shock wave is universally defined as an impact/blast
casualty. Your attempt to pull shock waves out of the equation in an
assessment of an impact/blast is akin to taking water out the equation
in a drowning.
Moving on, I feel I should clarify my position. I never liked the
term "hammer"---it feels so comic strip-y---and agree it's overused.
I agree with Anne's orthodoxy on the application of the term---except
as it pertains to the point addressed above.
All best / d,
On Mar 11, 2009, at 6:48 AM, Walter Branch wrote:
Hi Darryl,
Okay, but...
or scholarly assessment---
That's what I assumed we are attempting. This list is for meteorite
enthusiasts, not journalism enthusiasts.
I propose we stick to discussing meteorites, not bomb blasts.
-Walter
----- Original Message ----- From: "Darryl Pitt" <[email protected]>
To: "Walter Branch" <[email protected]>
Cc: "Meteorite Mailing List" <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:49 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] WG: AW: [IMCA] Hammers & Orientation
from Dave
Hi Walter!
With all respect....
In ANY report---except where there exist the specificity of a coroner
or scholarly assessment---bomb victims are bomb victims.
There is never differentiation between those killed by blast injury,
penetrating wounds, blunt trauma or smoke/fire. In fact the foregoing
types of injury are correctly referred to as primary, secondary,
tertiary and miscellaneous BLAST INJURIES. Primary blast injury is
specifically a rapid increase in air pressure--a shock wave.
If the bull was killed by a shock wave created by an impact---it was
killed by the impact.
And that's no bull....
;-)
On Mar 10, 2009, at 10:11 PM, Walter Branch wrote:
Hello Darryl,
is a bombing victim killed by a bomb-produced shock
wave not killed by the bomb?
No. They would killed by the shock wave.
If dirt kicked up by a meteorite hits a person, is said meteorite
then a "hammer?" No.
Like all analogies, it eventually breaks down.
It's not the fall that kills you, it's the sudden stop at the end -
Douglas Adams.
-Walter Branch
----- Original Message ----- From: "Darryl Pitt" <[email protected]>
To: "Impactika" <[email protected]>
Cc: <[email protected]>; "Martin Altmann" <altm...@meteorite-
martin.de>
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 6:57 PM
Subject: Re: WG: AW: [IMCA] Hammers & Orientation from Dave
(deep breath)
is a bombing victim killed by a bomb-produced shock wave not killed
by
the bomb?
hi anne! ;-)
On Mar 10, 2009, at 6:43 PM, Impactika wrote:
Hello Dave, and all,
I submit another example to you: Carancas, since it has been
discussed on the other List.
In my personal opinion, only one fragment of the Carancas
meteorite would qualify as a hammer: the fragment that hit the
house on the picture, but it would have to be properly
documented, with proof that this specific fragment, and not
another one, or a piece of ejecta, is the actual fragment that
damaged this roof. Any other fragment is just that: a fragment
of the Carancas meteorite. As for the animals, they might have
been hit by a shock wave, not by a fragment of the meteorite.
With the same logic, a few of the Park Forest fragments can
qualify as hammers, I am talking about the actual fragments that
hit cars, roofs, .... and only those. And again, only with
proper verifiable documentation. All other pieces of Park Forest
are just that: pieces of the Park Forest meteorite.
That still leaves Peekskill and Claxton as hammer meteorites,
since they are single stones, and witnessed, documented falls.
As for me, as a dealer, I will not use the term hammer on my
website unless I have absolute proof and documentation that a
certain specimen did hit a human, animal, or something man-made
(roads, trees, fields.... don't count!).
But that is my opinion.
Any others?
Anne Black
IMCA - #2356
In a message dated 03/10/09 09:16:39 Mountain Daylight Time, [email protected]
writes:
Von: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 10. März 2009 15:47
An: Martin Altmann
Betreff: RE: AW: [IMCA] Hammers & Orientation
Hi, Martin,
Please forward this quick note back to the IMCA list; I'm on a web
interface and can't respond to the list from here...thanks:
. . . . . . . . . . .
The problem, at least in my view, with hammers is the fact that
they are most appreciated by the least meteorite-savvy buyers.
These newbie collectors are most exposed to paying a ridiculous
price because a piece of, say, Thuathe was found in the roof of
a hut -- yet the piece they're contemplating purchase around
was picked up in a field two miles away. Thuathe might not be
the best example, as it's a killer meteorite in its own right.
Your example of Gao- Guenie, though by no means reflected in
market pricing (yet, anyway), might be better.
. . . . . . . . . . .
Dave
IMCA #5967
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