-- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax
> > Jack, > I am so sorry. I guess I am mistaken. > I mean the place where it says Coordinates "Unknown" must have meant > something else? Where exactly is "unknown", AZ? > see link > http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/index.php?sea=Whetstone+Mountains&sfor=names&ants=&falls=&valids=&stype=contains&lrec=50&map=ge&browse=&country=All&srt=name&categ=All&mblist=All&rect=&phot=&snew=0&pnt=Normal%20table&code=49514 > > I guess I thought that since it shows up in the bulletin that the mapping was > already done. By the way I did say > "Nothing personal here but as always it's who you know I guess. sorry." > So, I say again nothing personal here but as always it's who you know. Sorry! > So, where are you getting the latest one you found classified? Because it is > not the third AZ fall is it? Carl > -- > Carl or Debbie Esparza > Meteoritemax > > > ---- Jack Schrader <[email protected]> wrote: > > Carl, > > Since you posted your comment to the list in regards to myself and my > > son, I am going to comment openly on this list in reply. The University of > > Arizona was immediately supplied with the coordinates of the Whetstone > > Mountains area fall. The U of A would not classify the sample of WM > > without the coordinates, nor could the meteorite be officially recognized > > by the Meteoritical Society without the exact coordinates. The coordinates > > were withheld as a courtesy to allow for the proper mapping of the > > strewnfield. Apparently, the Meteoritical Society and the University of > > Arizona find the data not only useful but very valuable as well. > > I take great exception to your implications in your post that I > > received favored treatment from the U of A because my son is a graduate > > student there. Great exception to your ignorant comment! I am actually > > fuming at the moment! My son Devin had absolutely nothing to do with the > > classification of the meteorite or the fact that the classification was > > accepted by the U of A and accomplished so quickly. The University of > > Arizona accepted this for classification due solely to the fact that it was > > the first Arizona fall recovered in 97 years and was recovered in their own > > back yard. It had nothing to do with my son or "who you know". The fall > > was historic and important to my Alma Mater, the University of Arizona. If > > you do not know what you are talking about, then I suggest you keep your > > mouth shut. You owe my son Devin and myself an apology for your ignorant > > and uncalled for comments. > > > > Dr. Jack L. Schrader > > > > > > > > ----- Forwarded Message ---- > > From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected]; [email protected]; Greg Stanley > > <[email protected]> > > Cc: [email protected] > > Sent: Tue, March 9, 2010 3:04:07 PM > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Request > Glorieta Mountain strewnfield map > > > > Greg, > > I'm not saying they are useless. I am just saying for scientific knowledge > > they are not all that important. > > I'm just saying that I don't like having my new find classification held up > > because I don't want to share co-ords at this time. that's all. Although > > depending on who you are you may be able to get it done without co-ords. If > > you are say, someone named Jack and your son works at U of A Planetary > > sciences perhaps? Nothing personal here but as always it's who you know I > > guess. sorry. > > And by the way. I don't remember where I found that > > beautiful blood red ruby. Why do you ask? If I happen to remember, you will > > be the first to know. NOT! > > -- > > Carl or Debbie Esparza > > Meteoritemax > > > > > > ---- Greg Stanley <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > What if the Brenham meteorite never was documented. Perhaps Steve Arnold > > > would have never found his huge meteorite a few years back. Never > > > developed his searching technique and thus perhaps no "Meteorite Men." > > > > > > Just imagine if a friend came home and showed you a beautiful blood red > > > ruby (gem quality) the size of a baseball, and you asked "where did you > > > find that?" and he replied "I don't know." > > > > > > The more all work together, the more we all benefit and our children > > > benefit. > > > > > > Greg S. > > > > > > ---------------------------------------- > > > > Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 15:33:32 -0500 > > > > From: [email protected] > > > > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > > > > CC: [email protected] > > > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Request> Glorieta Mountain strewnfield map > > > > > > > > Robert, > > > > I couldn't agree with you more here about Jeff. > > > > He is in my opinion THE most important person on this list. period. Not > > > > because I agree with him all of the time but because he always has THE > > > > RIGHT THING TO SAY. Which puts him head and shoulders above most of us > > > > and especially above me. > > > > Having said that. I don't yet understand why people put so much > > > > importance on find co-ords and strewnfields. It has not only been > > > > pointed out by another important list member that "A meteorite does not > > > > care where it lands". (Ted Bunch). But to add to that I personally > > > > don't see where it will ever matter all that much. I mean it has been > > > > pointed out that; > > > > 1). These rocks move around and therefore do not tell us anything about > > > > where they landed. The wind , water, flood, erosion. What ever the > > > > reason these things move around. > > > > 2). They are not a geological formation. They land totally randomly. > > > > This is therefore trivial information ( of very little value). > > > > 3). Larger material falls farthest? Yes, and littler one ride piggy > > > > back with the big ones which skews the pattern and we may never know it > > > > because The bigger ones may bury themselves never to be found. So, what > > > > have we learned from something never found? > > > > 4). How much more can we expect to learn from strewnfields? Ask any > > > > third grader to show you what rocks do when they fall from any angle. > > > > 5). This is really very simple stuff. The science is in the rest of the > > > > knowledge we can gain. Let this co-ords and strewnfield crap go and > > > > things will get a lot simpler. > > > > 6). This will eliminate the need for certain laws. Nobody will care > > > > where it landed and therefore less court battles over something that > > > > wouldn't exist if not for an informed finder anyway. > > > > 7). Did I mention beating a dead horse? > > > > 8). I am sure I did not think of all the bad reasons for mapping here . > > > > Give me time. > > > > 9). I understand in the past we needed data on this but we are past the > > > > invention of the wheel. Time to move forward. > > > > But Jeff, other than that we all love you. Well at least like you a > > > > bunch. > > > > Carl > > > > -- > > > > Carl or Debbie Esparza > > > > Meteoritemax > > > > > > > > > > > > ---- Robert Woolard wrote: > > > >> Jeff, > > > >> > > > >> You wrote in part: > > > >> "A good policy would continue to reward those > > > >>> who find these objects on behalf of the people, but also > > > >>> prevent the loss of scientific information and significant > > > >>> specimens. > > > >>> > > > >>> The question becomes, how can a reasonable regulation and > > > >>> permitting process be created? I'll discuss this with > > > >>> my colleagues in DOI and the SI, and perhaps groups like the > > > >>> IMCA can help lobby for this as well. I think it is > > > >>> quite achievable." > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> THANK you so much for your very intelligent and logical input. You are > > > >> exactly the kind of "scientist/human being" ;-) we need! We are lucky > > > >> to have someone like you as a member of The List. 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