Faith is the action of making your self accept some thing you know not to
be true. Other wise it is just learning.
How did we get on this nonsense again?
Tom
In a message dated 7/23/2010 8:22:53 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
Hi Eric,
I don't want to get drawn into another long debate, but I'd like to make
a
couple of observations. You wrote:
"Funny, I never realized there was "proof" of what faith believes."
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Well Eric, by definition, faith doesn't require proof, but often times
matters of faith have quite a bit of evidence (a type of proof) to support
them. I could give examples, but I would be wrong to bring them up on
this
List, and if I did I would be chastised by most of the members here.
In your email, you not only accuse faith of not having any proofs, but
you
also say that it is only made up of, "conjecture and subjective
interpretation of observation."
Well Eric, to be honest, I find that much of today's science, and the
science of the past, is also made up of much "conjecture and subjective
interpretation of observation." It's not supposed to be like this, but
much of
science has a very religious feel to it. Science is supposed to examine
data, evidence and facts, and then follow that data, evidence, facts
wherever
they may lead. Scientists are supposed to have completely open minds.
They
are not supposed to have *any agendas*. Unfortunately, all too many
scientists do have agendas (presuppositions). They view the evidence
through
their own biased lenses. They view the evidence through their own type
of
"faith lense".
Mark wrote the following to you, "science has a lot more 'faith' to it
than most people realise!"
I agree with him, and I think Mark Twain would also agree with him.
With respect,
Greg Lindh
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 01:00:40 -0700
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Its official! NWA 6291 "The King
ofAngrites" for sale -...
Funny, I never realized there was "proof" of what faith believes. Only
conjecture and subjective interpretation of observation.
Eric
On 7/23/2010 12:52 AM, Mark Ford wrote:
Good quote.
I also like:
"Science is almost the same as faith, but just sometimes, once in a
while, the level of required proof is taken up a notch"
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of GREG
LINDH
Sent: 23 July 2010 04:31
To: [email protected]
Cc: meteorite-list
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Its official! NWA 6291 "The King
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Hello Greg,
I've always loved science, but I do think that some in the scientific
community tend to stretch things a bit thin sometimes. All kinds of
theories about all kinds of things are thrown around with little to
support them. This reminds me of a quote by Mark Twain. The quote
follows:
"There is something fascinating about science. One gets such
wholesale returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of
fact."
Something to think about....
Greg Lindh
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 20:51:24 -0400
CC: [email protected]; [email protected]
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Its official! NWA 6291 "The King of
Angrites" for sale -...
Hello everyone,
Isn't 'science' just that, "Science"... Ever evolving as ground truth
comes in? Without open minds and hard work by many dedicated
individuals, 'science' would not get very far, especially in the world
of meteortitics! Much of the initial work and/or thoughts are educated
suggestions which are meant to excite others in rational and sometimes
heated discussions, no matter what scientific focus is being
discussed. I won't even bring up the evolution talks of the past...
Best Regards,
Greg Hupe
On Jul 22, 2010, at 8:00 AM, "Rose, David MD"<[email protected]>
wrote:
I agree with Jeff completely. Same thing happens in Medicine. And
even when the data is peer reviewed, that doesn't mean that it is
rock solid truth. It's a process of continual evaluation and
refinement.
David
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:meteorite-
[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jeff Grossman
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 7:40 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Its official! NWA 6291 "The King of
Angrites" for sale -...
Yikes! Abstracts to meetings are not peer reviewed!
jeff
On 7/21/2010 10:05 PM, Adam Hupe wrote:
Hi Jason and List,
I do not refute Melinda Hutson's article that was never peer
reviewed and
contains several errors according to the classifying scientists. I
asked
scientists about the article and they stated, it is obvious that
she didn't read
the original peer reviewed abstract carefully, even mistaking the
type of
petrology that was discussed using formulas that simply do not
apply to the
texture NWA 2999 exhibits.
There were several prestigious coauthors listed in the original
paper; Unique
Angrite NWA 2999: The Case For Samples From Mercury.
Who am I to argue with the world's best? I will keep an open mind
and hope for
some ground truth that will hopefully settle it once and for all.
I think the
authors were making a point of having an open mind and that the
subject should
be debated possibly stimulated more scientific interest in
Angrites. It took a
long time to win over the scientific community that some of these
meteorites
were actually from Mars. It was debated to death and now nobody
argues about
the Shergottite parent body any more.
Best Regards,
Adam
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