Hello Martin and List,

As always Martin, you are a true gentleman and a scholar! I appreciate how you get to the point and then go on to explain situations in a thorough manner, Thank You! In my case, I tend to be to the point in a more blunt manner sometimes, especially if I am tapping on an iPhone.

As for GregC and his denial of directing his comments at Jim and I, we on this List are not stupid, just another upsetting insult. I might be getting older, slower, blinder, less patient, but sure as heck not getting dumber! To say he didn't even read my joke email is a poor toss out there. As for List archives, they are a fun read aren't they? You will see a couple squabbles over the years, but you will also see infinately more new meteorites being announced and discussed by the very same folks who compete AND work together. Good, healthy competition even with occasion squabbles is a good thing!!

Keep up the excellent work, Martin and Stefan! The world is a better place because of contributions by you and several others, and a lot better explained! ;-)

Best Regards,
Greg Hupe

On Dec 3, 2010, at 9:34 AM, "Martin Altmann" <[email protected] > wrote:

Hi there,

Well Phil, we simply don't know it - aaand that's why we have to look for
it!

I see also a nice side-effect in the press conference by NASA - some
advertizing, always necessary to get the budgets passed. Remember - the announcement of the supposed fossil remnants in ALH84001, even by president
Clinton - when did it take place?  And when started the great Martian
renaissance with all these incredible successful orbiters and rovers?
And if you keep in mind, that sample-return-mission projected, if it will be realized, will be after the ISS and the space shuttle missions, the most
expensive mission, the most costly planetary space-probe ever.
Hopefully it will be done. And until then, we have to take potluck with the
Martian meteorites we have already.

hi Greg & Greg,

could you please reconcile your differences off-list?

Greg H. - I guess Greg C. simply didn't get the joke, because he isn't aware
of the funny story of Haag, Zagami and ALH84001.

And Greg C.
I know that you sometimes support the notion, that we're all in meteorites
only for the money.

Though the meteorite prices are not endangered by new scientific recoveries. Much more they are endangered, because still some meteoricists and some
clerks haven't recognized yet the direct correlation of find
rates/availability of meteorites and the legal situation in the countries,
they were and shall be found.
You can observe already now the step-back and the regress in newly found material due to always new restrictions. Check the bulletins, what for a
decline we have the very last 3 years in newly recovered unpaired
planetaries.
And regarding especially the Martians, I'm not sure how long you're in
meteorites, but they already doubled, tripled, quadrupled in price during
the last 4 years, because of that.

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