You and that guy from Alberta Canada should collaborate on a video for moraine searching
Mark Ferguson On 4:25:27 am 06/13/11 Dave Myers <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear List, and Norm, > > WOW! > > In this thread the only 2 things that has been said that is > counter-productive for anyone just getting started in the search for > meteorites is, > Norm's disrespectful comments! (for 1) "This > is one of those stories with "to good to be true" overtones." > Norm I > have been on the list for 3.5-4 years, I was brought up and raised to > be respectful to other people in this small farming town.........You > do not know anything about me.......so why would you make a comment > like that! > > The second comment by you is compairing the glacier area of ( NE WA.) > to that of OHIO-INDIANA) WHAT??????? That is like compairing the > moon to mars ! > > Norm, for the past 35 years out of my 51, I have been a amateur > Archaeologist, I have found over 450 artifacts in 4 counties in south > west Ohio, I can Identify each and everyone, I have recorded all my > finds. I have discovered 20 village sites! > > And for the past 35 years, I have been an amateur geologist, I can > Identify the common rock typs that are Igneous, sedimentary and > metamorphic. > My favorite rocks to collect are the "one of a kind," metamorphic > rocks, and the basalts with subporphyritic texture.(like what is > found in some achondrites) > So if i may, let me tell you all about the morianes in Ohio and > Indiana. > On top of of the rocks(morians) is 8-10 inch's. of a sandy soil. > (thats is where after 6 years of searching I found my 1st meteorite > 4-9-2011) > There are not that many glacier rocks, But a few, But also since 4-9. > I found 2 fluted clovis points, in the same mix(there 10-14,000 years > old). and 40ty other artifacts in this 8-10' of soil. > > Now when I walk the hill side it gets very rocky, the soil now is > only 4-6"deep on the moriane, But guess what!!!!!!!! in this rocky > area is where I found my second banged-up chondrite! (which is > different from the 1st!) and my third un-fluted paleo point, about 12 > feet away! > > Now let me tell you a secret I have discovered after walking these > rolling hills (morianes) for 35 years. Less then 10% of the rocks > even in the rocky areas are brown or black! What color are fresh > chondrites.........Black, what color are weathered chondrites, > "BROWN" > > So to all new meteorites hunters, If you can spot the brown marbles > in a bag of mixed multi-colored marbles, you can find meteorites even > in the rocky hill side of a moriane............in ohio,indiana, and > Illinoise that is. > > Now back to what I found, yes I am only guessing about there age, > most of my UNWA stones are slices, end cuts of have very black fusion > crust on them. What I found looks more weathered, So yes I still may > be very wrong to there age. > > Also the glacier ice was 2-5 miles high, the bull-dozer moriane piles > are at the bottom of the ice, How long did it take the ice to build > befor its advance south, 100,150,000,YEARS? how many meteorites were > traped in the ice during that time frame. ? So Norm, I was not > talking about the meteorites on the ground before the glacier came, > But common sense tells me that any meteorites IN THE ICE, when the > ice melts, WILL BE ON TOP OF THE MORIANE. > > NOW FOR THE "ID" COMMENTS! > > 20 DEALERS ON HERE SALE, unwa-chondrites, I have got them and other > meteorites from 4 of you. (they are 100%) gurenteed to be meteorites? > > So for what I know about rocks, in my area, and the pictures of what > you all sold me, know that they are real meteorites! > > Now, after 6 years of searching for meteorites, only after 4-9-2011 > Have I found 2 stones that, look like chondrites. There is now doubt > that are both chondrites. There are "NO OTHER ROCKS ON EARTH, THAT > LOOK LIKE a L or H chondrite! so they do not have to be ID, but yes > they do need to get classifide. > > > Wow, I cannot waite to here the comments after I post photos of my 3 > possiable achondrites I found on the same glacier morian. LOL > > > > Here are photos of the glacier moraine I am hunting, The 1st 4 photos > are the more rocky hill side, the other photos are the top of the > morine that have little rocks showing where I found the 1st meteorite > > > http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.233863486630644.81086.1000002 > 09843157&l=601eb88043 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Norm Lehrman <[email protected]> > To: Dave Myers <[email protected]> > Cc: "[email protected]" <meteorite-list@meteoritecen > tral.com> > Sent: Fri, June 10, 2011 9:08:35 AM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Illinois, Indiana, Ohio glacial deposits > > All, > > I fear this thread may be counter-productive for any that are just > getting started in the search for meteorites. The glacier angle is, > in this case, thin ice. First, Antarctica is a very special case: > in general glacial moraines are > an absolutely horrible place to look. I'm with Mike. If you've got > genuine meteorites, they probably have nothing at all to do with the > moraine deposits. Second, I'm also with Anne: the starting place > here is to confirm the ID. This is one of those stories with "to > good to be true" overtones. > But back to moraines. As a lifelong exploration geologist, I spent > many years living on the terminal moraines and outwash gravels of the > Cordilleran ice sheet > (in NE WA). Moraines are vast accumulations of rock, precisely what > a meteorite > hunter doesn't want. Nininger's pioneering success in the recovery > of meteorites was a direct result of going places where there > shouldn't be any rocks. The sand seas of the Sahara, same thing. The > dry lakebeds of the Great Basin continue that tradition. And so does > Antarctica. > > The latter, of course, is where the confusion arises. Glaciers are > part of the story for the Antarctic meteorites, but only part. > Starting at the simple end, Antarctica is a vast expanse of white and > blue where the nearest bedrock is often 3000 m straight down. Rocks > are easy to spot, and most that are there fell from the sky. On a > snowmobile you can cover a lot of ground fast and not miss much. The > driest air on earth (much dryer than that of hot deserts) adds to the > story by lengthening meteorite shelf-life. Then there are the > glaciers. Mainly, the ice flows to the coast and the meteorites sail > away in their ice rafts until they are dumped unceremoniously into > the depths of the ocean. However, where the flowing ice encounters > mountains, like the Transantarctic range, it stalls, to be slowly > eaten away by katabatic winds descending from the > high country. More ice flows in to replace that lost, and with time, > all of the > entrained rocks accumulate in a relatively compact stranding zone. > > The terminal moraines of the North American ice sheets were quite > different. They flowed into warmer climes, melted, thinned and > dumped their contents like dirty plowed snowpiles in the spring. > They advanced and retreated. Meltwaters reworked the lot. The ice > was both a bulldozer and upside-down conveyor belt. Certainly, > meteorites fell onto the surface of the ice, as they do on all the > world, but in this case the glaciers provided vast dilution, not > concentration. > Of course you could find a meteorite in glacial deposits, but the > dilution effects make the search much more difficult. > > So advice to would-be searchers: by all means do search wherever you > can, but if > you want to increase your odds of success, don't head for the > moraines of the great continental ice sheets. Further, you don't > need to run out and buy a metal detector, expensive or otherwise. > Life is too short to do that anywhere but a strewn field. You need to > cover ground to up the odds. Go where there are > no rocks and use your eyes, by far the best tool available for > routine cold searches > > Cheers, > Norm (still on the far side of the globe) > www.tektitesource.com > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Dave Myers <[email protected]> > To: meteoriteguy.com <[email protected]> > Cc: "[email protected]" <meteorite-list@meteoritecen > tral.com>; > > tracy latimer <[email protected]> > Sent: Fri, June 10, 2011 5:07:57 AM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Illinois, Indiana, Ohio glacial deposits > > Hi Mike you may be right. > > But the two chondrites are so different, I do not think there from > the same fall. But they both could be from different falls?? > > > And when you look at the glacier map I posted with all the iron finds > in south west ohio, non of them are paired? > > > just my thoughts. > > Thanks again > > Dave Myers > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: meteoriteguy.com <[email protected]> > To: Dave Myers <[email protected]> > Cc: tracy latimer <[email protected]>; "meteorite-list@meteoritecen > tral.com" > <[email protected]> > Sent: Thu, June 9, 2011 9:29:27 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Illinois, Indiana, Ohio glacial deposits > > Guys, > It is very unlikely that these > Chondrites are related to the glaciation. Just appears to be a > strewnfield like any other. > > Michael Farmer > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 9, 2011, at 6:26 PM, Dave Myers <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Hi Tracy > > > > All the green areas on the map are "high glaicer morians" It does > not show the > > > > smaller ones in Butler county and other countys. > > > > There is a farm on the Butler-Hamilton county line most of it in > > Hamilton county, Has a perfect out line "u" shaped of a morian on > > that farm. > > I want to hunt that really bad. > > > > Will ask next them next year. > > > > > > Dave Myers > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: tracy latimer <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Thu, June 9, 2011 9:16:32 PM > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Illinois, Indiana, Ohio glacial > > deposits > > > > That was my thought as well. There seem to be parallels here > > between the Muonionlusta field, which has been relocated by > > glacier, and the stones you are > > > > > > finding. Are they in terminal moraines, or individuals in > fields? There is a > > > > reason why Moraine, OH was named that! > > > > Best! > > Tracy Latimer > > ---------------------------------------- > >> From: [email protected] > >> Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 15:31:26 -0700 > >> To: [email protected] > >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Illinois, Indiana, Ohio glacial > >> deposits > >> Maybe it would be appropriate to bring out some larger coils, > >> like are commonly used in the Muonionalusta field, to look for > >> deeper stones? > >> -Michael in so. Cal. > >> > >> On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 11:11 AM, E.P. Grondine wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi everyone - > >>> > >>> Well, the meteorites won't be pristine, with some 13,000 years > > of weathering, > > > > > >> but then - > >>> > >>> Who'd have thought that the mid center of the US would have had > >> its own meteorite transport system, one paralleling that in > >>> Antarctica in some ways? > >>> Dave, thanks for sharing. > >>> > >>> E.P. > >>> > >>> > >>> ______________________________________________ > >>> Visit the Archives at > >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > >>> Meteorite-list mailing list > >>> [email protected] > >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > >> ______________________________________________ > >> Visit the Archives at > >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > >> Meteorite-list mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > > > > >> > > ______________________________________________ > > Visit the Archives at > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > ______________________________________________ > > Visit the Archives at > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > ______________________________________________ > Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-arc > hives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > [email protected] > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > ______________________________________________ > Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-arc > hives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > [email protected] > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > ______________________________________________ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list [email protected] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
