Dick, 

That was a great sales pitch. Now imagine that you are a SmartCam USER, who
just invested into software that is no longer being developed. For you
Smartcam is gone, so you now sell Edgecam. No big deal. For the rest of us,
we have to figure out where to go next, when the old SC translators are no
longer current enough. 
Keep pushing Edgecam, I am sure you will win some of us over. 

Pete Zsiros

P.S. A SmartCam-Rhino Hybrid sounds great to me.  

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        From:  John Wright [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
        Sent:  Friday, February 18, 2000 9:46 AM
        To:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [MFG-SMARTCAM]
        Subject:  Re: [mfg-smartcam] MASTER CAM

        No whiners here just looking for a software with no associtivity
and lots of control and no wizzards!
                John
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        From:   Dick Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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        To:     'John Wright' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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                <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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        Date:   Friday, February 18, 2000 7:31 AM
        Subject:        RE: [mfg-smartcam] MASTER CAM


                >As everyone knows Smartcam is an excellent cam software and
has had a big
                >impact on the manufacturing community. When you look at the
progression
        from
                >Point Control Days until last year the technology was
second to none. The
                >problem is SDRC has decided to abandon the development of
the software and
                >focus their attention on the larger customers that are
willing to spend a
                >lot more money then the normal business. There's a good and
bad to what
        they
                >have done. The bad is they decided that the customer base
they have using
                >smartcam was not important anymore. The good thing they
have done is to
        open
                >our eyes to other software's that are actually as good or
better and are
                >putting development money into their products to help the
manufacturing
                >community. We evaluated all of the major Cam software's and
we used
        Smartcam
                >to compare these products to as one of the test. We found
that through this
                >process that EdgeCam by Pathtrace had a lot of
similarities. The system is
                >easy to use and they offer different modules (like Basic
mill,Freeform
                >Machining,Turn,Wire,etc.)As we investigated Edgecam more we
saw that they
                >were committed to advance the technologies for the cam
industry now and in
                >the future. We also found that there are no 2 software's
that are exactly
                >the same. Some things are easier in smartcam and some in
Edgecam. We found
                >several features with EdgeCam over Smartcam. Since we
choose Edgecam to be
                >our Cam product they have made several enhancements above
smartcam. They
        are
                >able to read several Cad Solids directly, such as
Catia,Solidedge,etc.
                >Working with code generators are a lot easier and the way
they store their
                >tools in the tool store is really cool (not to mention the
ease of
                >programming parts). All I know is that it doesn't matter
how well we like
                >smartcam it is gone. Anyone that sets around whining about
it being gone
                >will be the same ones whining later that they are loosing
business to the
                >companies that moved on. Thanks Pathtrace for stepping up
to bat and take
        us
                >through the next millenium.
                >Thanks for letting me say my piece.
                >D. Allen
                >
                >-----Original Message-----
                >From:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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                >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
<mailto:[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]> On Behalf Of John Wright
                >Sent:  Thursday, February 17, 2000 3:46 PM
                >To:    Manhart, Martin; [MFG-SMARTCAM]
                >Subject:       Re: [mfg-smartcam] MASTER CAM
                >
                >
                >Thank you I am still looking for that killer package
similar to smart cam
        or
                >should I say
                >(smart cam 2 the resurrection ) ha! wishful thinking.
                >                                          John
                >
                >-----Original Message-----
                >From:  Manhart, Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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                >To:    'John Wright' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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                ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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                ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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<[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >;
                >Sawickyj, Teofil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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                >Date: Thursday, February 17, 2000 2:20 PM
                >Subject:       RE: [mfg-smartcam] MASTER CAM
                >
                >
                        >>John,
                        >>
                        >>We just had a 1-1/2 hour demo of Master cam
milling level 2 V7 & V8 beta
                        >>(2-1/2 axis) the modeler is very nice solid
extruding/subtracting
        unlimited
                        >>construction lines nice trimming dimensioning, all
the toys.  It drilled
                        >>holes quite well, didn't face mill very well and
the work planes for
                        >>indexing around a Horizontal machine's index table
were not as easily
                        >>created, there is also no automatic resequencing
of tool path or tool
                        >>sorting once tool path is created other than
grabbing each machining
                        >>operation off a list and repositioning the whole
operation as a unit in a
                        >>different order.  It's one main flaw is you can't
edit he tool path
                >elements
                        >>that are generated.  The demo guy did a pocketing
cut which had a lot of
                        >>repetitious passes through the a valley which you
could have doctored up
        in
                        >>SmartCam but would have been nightmare to deal
with weeding out of the
                        >>actual G-code.
                        >>The translator from AutoCAD would only get the
wire frame elements for the
                        >>.dwg file so you still had to write out a .sat
file from AutoCAD and
        import
                        >>the .sat into MasterCam to get the solid model.
                        >>The mold/die making package (available for another
$1,400) looked good
                        >>though, it had a lot more gouge checking in it
than SmartCam.
                        >>
                        >>I guess we may need it to keep up with the
changing versions of
        translators
                        >>to still be able to import Cad files, but It still
needs more development.
                        >>
                        >>P.S. They did say in one of the next versions tool
path editing is going
        to
                        >>be added!
                        >>
                        >>Marty
                        >>
                        >>
                        >>
                                >>> -----Original Message-----
                                >>> From:       John Wright
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                                >>> Sent:       Thursday, February 17, 2000
12:25 PM
                                >>> To: [MFG-SMARTCAM]
                                >>> Subject:    [mfg-smartcam] MASTER CAM
                                >>>
                                >>>
                                >>> Anybody ever tried MasterCam?
                                >>> If so how did it compare to smartcam.
                                >>>                              Thank's
John
                                >>>
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